Building a 356 model, need help please

[lumpulus]

Greetings,

I am building a 356 model in 1/24 scale, and am going to superdetail it with all visible lines, hoses, and wiring.

The car I am doing is a cabriolet, I think, and looks to have a doubleoverhead cam engine with dual distributor caps. It has rectangular air boxes over the carbs.

I am looking for any info and advice on the year and type of car this is. Is it a Cabrio or roadster, and how can I tell the difference?

I found some pics of the engine, but none that really tell me where the hoses and wiring in the engine bay route to, and why my particular model has two distributor caps.

Also what color would the interior be if I paint the exterior of the car silver? Red? Black?

Any reference info anyone could provide me with would be most appreciated, and I will post pics of the model once it's finished.

Thank you

Lumpulus(Kevin)

email is kevin.colburn.b@bayer.com

[josh912]

That would be a Carrera, but I don't think they made them in a cab. Sounds fun!

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Yes the Fuhrmann ( 547 Carrera ) engine came with all bodys. Even with Hardtopcoupes.

The late Fuhrmann engines had the distributuirs siting on the end from the engine, making a Vee. The run on a seperate shaft who could be pulled to change the fan/alternator belt.

Previous engines had the distributors siting on the end from the camshafts making it very tricky at services and always runing asynchron.


Year is very easy:

pre 60´car´s had no filler flap. In 61 the new BT6 body came. In 63 the rims changed from the big 205mm bolt pattern to the smaller still today used 130 mm pattern.Other details are the dashboard the location from the glove box lock or the armrest on the door.

Convertibles have a screenframe integratet to the body, speedsters and Roadsters have a removable framed in screen.

Now color codes normal definate the interiour colors but Porsche also made costum mixtures and special one offs.

The silver cars mostly had red interiour but could also come with black or darkblue. Red was mostly black interiour. Darkblue came with black or gray. Green with tan or red. White mostly with red but also with tan or blue. Yellow came with black or tan.

Hoses, can you post the pictures ?

There is a big tube runing up diagonal thats the vent tube from the engine case. The oil will recondensate inside and run back down. You also will find a oiltank on the driverside with a filler neck inside the enginebay and depending on the version a external gasheater on the rear engine valance.

Hoses run from various places.

Wires run only to the alternator, coils and the distributors

Grüsse

[lumpulus]

Thanks for the Information! It's just what I needed.
I also have gotten some pics ftom KAM Motorsports in Waterbury
CT. Gerry at KAM was most gracious in taking some pics for me.

Here is a before pic of the engine and tranny with just the sub assemblies done, with my car key as a scale reference. :-)

Thanks again, and I'll still take any pics anyone has.

Lumpy(Kevin)

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Have pictures from Dash and body ?

Do you have the instrument faces ?

[lumpulus]

Yes, I have some really good pics I found scouring the "net of
silver 1964 Cabrio with really good interior photos, as evidenced
by the pic I included below. I could use more pics of the front under hood area, and under the car area.

Thanks

KC

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

This picture shows a B dash.

The carrera has two switches under the Tach where you can switch each ignition circuit. A Choke puller right top of the speedo and optional 2 little additional instruments beside the Clock ( Amperage and Oilpressure )

Grüsse

[lumpulus]

Thanks once again! I have a part that I'm not sure of in the engine bay, and will try to describe it first, and if that doesn't help I'll take a picture when I go home.

It's an oil tank I think, or the engine heater you described.
It sits on the back flywheel shroud and has a diagonal tube
running to the main block.

Any ideas? Once again, thank you!

Kevin

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

better picture it.

I´m still looking for online pics. There was a thread on the 911 board last days showing the ex Ferdinand BT5 /T6 prototype

Grüsse

[lumpulus]

Here it is, looks to me like some pipes or lines attach to it as well.

Thanks for any help,

Kevin

[lumpulus]

And another pic, and how it attaches to the shroud.

KC

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

There is a big tube runing up diagonal thats the vent tube from the engine case. The oil will recondensate inside and run back down.

This is the late version with positive crank case ventilation.
Sorry never worked on one from these egines. My guess is one hose goes from the aircleaners to the upper exhaust.

The lower one runs down to the oiltankventialation.

But maybe both runed to the aircleaners each one to the other side.

Grüsse

[lumpulus]

Grüsse

Vielen Dank! I thought that's what it was as well after I went to the local bookstore and looked for Porsche books with pictures of the engines. I found a few good pictures of the part, which I think actually attaches to the firewall, not the flywheel shroud. A little artistic license I think from Fujimi?

That is the about the only German I know, having spent 3 weeks in Ratingen as I work for Bayer in the states. I went to the Nurburgring and watched an "old timer" race there. Such fun!!

Thank you again!

Kevin

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

Hugh, i know Bayer as well, I worked in the Agfa Division.

Now i think that canister is attached to the engine as it will have to move when the engine is floating in the rubber elements.

As far I see it the kit is pretty accurate that reminds me of some old Tamiya and Revell kits stored in my cellar for bad times.
Ialso must have a Pocher and some very nice 1/32 japan made kits witch brassetched chrome parts and very thin foil for the glas. I startet with the 356 but didn´t liked how the paint looked i then made a misstake to use some gloss to mate it and make it look realistic. Weeks later the paint wrinkled up.

I once had a Kremer Vailant 935 and a Lola MKIV from Tamiya but traded them in the shooltime ( building them was more fun then de dusting them all the time ) against many airfix planes an WWII tech stuff.

Grüsse

[lumpulus]

So you work for a Bayer division as well? Small world!
I work for the Diagnostics Division in Massachusetts taking care of the network at one of three sites. I went to Ratingen in June July of last year to help out with a new project.

So you are also a modeler? Excellent! Your english is alot better than my German

My true passion is Formula 1, but I am not much of a Schumie Fan.
I liked Senna when he was alive.

I have many formula one models and like Le Mans as well.

Take care and regards

Kevin

[lumpulus]

Here is my most recent model.

Kevin

[Roland Kunz]

Hello

I "worked" ( once a time long ago ). Bayer had some "direct" 60 000 employes back then.


In the AGFA division i worked as mechanical trouble shooter on the Heilbronn emolsion plant ( some 100 people there ).

I´m still a modeler yet moved to the big boy scale ( 1:1 )

Now I like every sport with wheels and technical stuff and the tactics. I don´t have a favorite driver ( OK Villneuve, maybe a favorite team TAG runed by Mr Zucker. They own Mc Larren ).

Now you gues my favorite F1 pages are atlas ( good BB with Ludvigsen ) and forrix ( only for us oldtimers ) but my F1 bookmarks are some 300 links. Most from them are about oldtimers and old drivers.

Now MS. I once met him when i delivered parts to Willy Webers Opel Dallara Team. He worked there as mechanic swepet the floor and helped me unload the heavy stuff. Was surprised to find him with the Mercedes Junior Team later.

MS is somehow a typical german. He just wantet to make his thing perfect and didn´t cared to much about the appendix.

Grüsse

[Wayne 962]

There are more photos of 356 in our photo gallery than anywhere else in the world:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/swapmeet_pics/swapmeet_pic_index.htm

-Wayne

[lumpulus]

Wayne,

Thanks very much! Your exploded 356 parts reference is a great scource of reference as well! Thanks!

Lumpy(Kevin)

[lumpulus]

I thought I'd post an in progress pic of the engine.
I'm happy with the result so far.

Kevin