STYLE CHANGE OF EARLY FUCHS RIMS

[Dutchfly]

When did Porsche change the style of the early 15x6 fuchs rims from the so called deep dish to the version that has a straight wheel bed? I do own a 1970 911T and want to put the right style on this vehicle. Thanks!

[kstar]

I think that '73 (non-RS) was the last year for production 911s with the deep dish - of course, the RS had the non-deep dish Fuchs and the first production 911 to have different width front and rear wheels.

I've been shopping around for the 911R offset deep dish 15x7 . . . and as I shop, the prices keep going up!

Best,

Kurt

[Early_S_Man]

The early, deeper-spoke wheel with ribs on the back side, p.n. 901.361.012.06, are designed for use with tube-type tires and do not have safety beads for retaining tires after pressure loss.

As of 24 March 1971, the new safety-beaded wheel was used in production, p.n. 911.361.020.10.
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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa
1992 Dodge Dakota 5.2 4X4 parts hauler

[This message has been edited by Early_S_Man (edited 11-02-2001).]

[kstar]

Warren:

So the deep dish style was made in both the "beaded" and "non beaded" versions? Or am I not making a semantic connection?

I know that my '72 originally came with a wheel that I thought to be the 'deep dish', i.e. it looks as though the spokes are at or near the outer rim edge.

Best,

Kurt

[Early_S_Man]

Kurt,

No, the 'deep' early wheel only came without the safety bead. The factory continued to use tube-type tires for a number of years ... at least thru '73, as my car came with later, safety-beaded Fuchs and had tube-type Dunlops mounted! Something about tires coming apart on the Autobahn made the factory engineers a bit conservative about the safety of tubeless tires, I guess!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa
1992 Dodge Dakota 5.2 4X4 parts hauler

[kstar]

Warren,

Here is what I thought 'deep dish' and 'non-deep dish' wheels were:

Here are the 16x6 Fuchs on my 911; not original, not "deep"!:


Here are 15x6 original Fuchs on a '72 911; from the Porsche site and what I thought were 'deep dish':


I thought the 'deep dish' terminology was more of a look or style than it was a technical issue of beads.

Best to you,

Kurt

[Randy W]

Kurt, your photos do not show a deep dish 6x15 Fuchs as far as I can tell, you may want to find a knowledgable early 911 guy to show you one. They have a much deeper lip than the '72 and later 6x15s (or 6x16s), hence the yerm "deep dish". The pre-'72 6x15 deep dish Fuchs were first used on some factory race 911s (911R front) and later became available on the '69 2.0, '70 and '71 2.2 911s. I have used them without tubes for autocrossing with no problem whatsoever.

Randy Wells

[kstar]

I think I see the difference now!

The 16x6 above has no 'dish'.

The '72 15x6 has what I would call a 'shallow dish'.

And this photo of the rear wheel of a 2.0 911R is certainly the 'deep dish':


I finally see the difference.

Thanks!

Regards,

Kurt

[jorisg]

I thought that the Fuchs on my car are the deep Fuchs rims, I have heard that another difference is the fact that when putting the tire on you have to do that from the inside of the rim!


If somebody has some information which Fuchs were supplied in what year that would be nice?



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Joris
75 911S
http://www.angelfire.com/bc3/joogie/index.htm

[campbellcj]

This is a 15x6 'deep' Fuchs. Sorry the lighting wasn't great in the pic.


800x600|1600x1200

Chris C.
73 914 2.0
70 911E Targa
campbell.chris@gte.net

[This message has been edited by campbellcj (edited 11-05-2001).]

[orbmedia]

Any chance someone can post an early Fuch comparison showing side-by-side non-deep dish and deep dish versions?

[Randy W]

Kurt, the rear wheel for the 911R was the early 7x15 "R" wheel, as in your image. This wheel looks almost exactly like a early deep dish 6x15 from the outside. Here are some images showing some of the wheels we have been talking about. The first image is a closeup of a 911R wheel - you can see the spacers and longer studs needed to fit this wheel. The second image is a deep dish 6x15 - painted to show the lip better. The last photo is a later style "flat face" 6x15 Fuchs with a distinct polish to show the flat face better. Hope this helps.

Randy Wells

[GIBSON]

Here's a pair of "deep six" wheels for sale. Pretty pricey.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=597515943&r=0&t=0

[911kiwi]

Hi Guys,
I believe the last standard production fitment of the deep dish 15" Fuchs was 1971 on the D programme 2.2 cars. For the E programme 2.4's the flat Fuchs was fitted.
From Randy's photos you will also notice (if you look carefully) that the cutout, on the deepdish Fuchs, at the location of the valve stem has a "tongue" which silhouettes the stem itself. Personally, I prefer the look of the deep dishs to the flat style.
If anyone is looking for a set I know where 2 full perfect sets are available, but ... hope you've got "deep pockets" !!!
Gary

[Reg]

I pulled on of my wheels today and it is a 15 x 6

its pn is

911.361.020.00

I guess it is not a deep six!?!

[Rustbucket]

DEEP....

[Bob Goding]

Boys !--- I think some of you may be picturing the 'dish', the wrong way. The way I see it, the 'deep dish' enabled the early flat body cars to increase the rim width--inwards without fouling the rear wheel arches,-----------the centre ,or spoked part of the wheel kinda sticks out almost flush with the edge of the rim. The 'deep' part is inside of the wheel.---------Right or wrong ?
Bob

[Reg]

I looked on my CD, and see that in 1970 there were my wheels
911.361.020.00 15x6 available as well as 911.361.020.10 15x6

It also noted i believe that mine were NLA and to use the .10 as subs for .00 (what I understood from the diagram)

I also noticed that some of the fuchs were noted as forged, while others were not!?!

Now that I have the car up on stands, I will pull allthe wheels and see if they are all the samw PN's!

I know my depth on these cars is shallow, but are my wheels deep!?

[Fishcop]

Perhaps these photos may help you out in relation to the "dish". Bob, I think the dish does refer to the visible portion of the wheel...but I do stand to be corrected!



Do these help?

[JimNB]

What color is your car, that blue looks awesome !