My name is KC Moore, and I have a problem...

[targa911S]

burn outs......I don't know what to say. Sounds like a Corvette guy in out midst. Big Daddy meets Ferggie...sad. the old man is probably lookin down on you sayin. " I hope his axle snaps"

[porsche_virus]

Okay. I just want to get something clear before I make my pact to never post on here again. I don't make a habit of doing burnouts, or even try to. I simply "got on it" a little too much last weekend after installing the new muffler. I'm sure NONE of you perfectionists have EVER made the tires chirp.

Yes, the car is running, and running well. I learned a lot from SOME people, while taking it in the crotch from others. No matter how smart or skilled I might become in this world, whether it's in my computer field or working on my 911, I can honestly say I'd never call anyone an idiot or stupid for making a mistake due to ignorance of the situation.

I think it's sad how most of you are so quick to criticise and how quickly you forget that you were once in my position.

[Don Plumley]

Hey KC, don't let them get you down. I've noticed more vitrol on the BBS as of late, must be something in the water...

[Elombard]

Common Knowledge? I gotta check my CV bolts I had know idea.

[dtw]

You got whacked by lots of people (myself included) about the cam timing. You deserved it. But this? I think the winter weather is getting to some of these people. There are also unnamed curmudgeons who aren't nice to very many people.

During a road trip, the bolts in one of my CVs let go just like yours. Inexplicable. It destroyed the cooler on my 915 euro trans and parked the car for a month while my wrench scratched his head trying to figure out how to fix it without ordering a cooler.

Burnouts? Hell, we've all done at least one.

[expat]

'that will shut your ass up in a hurry'
'We've helped you through some pretty mind-boggling ignorance'
'Justifying stupidity...'

While I don't necessarily subscribe to burnouts being my thing, and sure, I agree they aren't the best way to care for your car, and that tracking your car is seen as the 'mark of a real driver' around here, still the fact is not everyone holds the same view. That's cool. Everyone can hold a different point of view. We should all be able to accept that. But abusing people and challenging their sanity because they don't do what you do is...well....

The guy asked what the knowledge of the people here thought might be causing him problems. The answer seems simple enough, given his admission of doing stop light take-offs. No need to flame him though!

Don't forget many people think that spending heaps on a 911 then putting it into a wall at a race track is not their idea of sanity either.

I just hate to see people here getting flamed and driven away. Its like the HP junkies who always get crap nearly every time they post (although its changed a little over the past few months). People like Merv and Juan are posting a lot less and thats a shame. They were really pushing the envelope of performance and research. They are equally true pioneers of 911 development and that should be applauded. Sure it may not be going around corners smoothly and quickly but all the same it a love for the marque and all that it can be......my rant over and flame suit on!

Opinions are one thing, abusing people because they see things diffrently from you is another...chill out!

[expat]

oh bugger.......

I typed that last post an hour ago but couldn't send it because I want time to think it over. Obviously I took too long and the inevitable happened.....he's off.

That's a shame.

[brawlins]

I'm on KC's and expathk's side. No-one pedals these cars like an old lady on a bike... Unless you bought the car to admire it sitting in the garage. To me, the greater car abuse is running it on a track. I'd rather run it hard on a country road for 10 minutes than toast it on a track for an hour. My humble opinion. Notice I didn't even use the terms "stupid" or "ignorant".

[mb911]

Ok my hang up is no insurance or rather not full coverage . I prefer to protect my rides the best possible way. I am 27 with a 914-6 and 911s and yes I have done a burnout once or twice but thats not were its at. Going fast at an auto cross or whipping some corvette out on the track is were it counts. I would tend to agree with staying away from the burnouts and drive the car the way it was meant to be driven. Besides a porsche doing a burnout is kind of dumb as compared to a LS6 chevelle doing one.

Ben
75 914-6 (2.7)
77 911s (3.0)

[lateapex911]

Ever notice the guys at a CART race pushing the car away from a pit stop? And every season, some guy pops the clutch after a stop, and poof! vanishing driveshaft peices! Driveline shock needs to be managed carefully. Nature of the beast.

Burnouts? Not my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean I haven't "tried" them!

To me, the bottom line here is that some guys are road racing their P cars, some are tracking them, and it appears some, (at least one!) does the occasional burnout.....and to me, all is good with the world. As long as the posers aren't driving them I'm happy!

[speeder]

OK, I apologize to KC and anyone else whom I might have offended with that post. Sometimes my Irish temper erases my manners for a bit, and I should restrain from typing. As has been said before, internet communication leaves a lot to be desired sometimes and I must choose my words more carefully.

Funny thing is that I do not dislike KC in the least, he seems like a nice guy and probably fun to party with. (Though I kind of doubt that he feels the same way about me). And furthermore, I have a soft spot for muscle cars and tire smoking, but 911s are not the cars to do it in. Our cars are every bit as much fun as any overpowered Detroit iron, just a different flavor. I reacted to the insinuation that anyone who advises against 5000rpm clutch popping from a standing start does not "drive these cars as they were intended". That is ridiculous, and a track session would change that mind, but I could have said it nicer. So, sorry once again about that.

And I did learn something myself from this thread, I am going to check the torque on my CV bolts from time to time. Take care,

[thrown_hammer]

KC Moore,
Don't let it get to you. I got the sharp end of the stick here before. I left for awhile. But the plusses outweighed the minuses, so I came back. Let them make fun. Ignore them. Big Dogs don't have to bark at Small Dogs.

[porsche_virus]

Here's a video clip of what I do with my Porsche. Unfortunately I don't have access to a track or have the time for it. Most of this video was shot during work hours, because I travel all over Kansas to fix computers for my company.

http://www.sunflower.com/~kcmoore/porsche_test.wmv

It's 20 megs, so 56k people will want to dl'it at night.

[dhoward]

Originally posted by lateapex911
Ever notice the guys at a CART race pushing the car away from a pit stop? And every season, some guy pops the clutch after a stop, and poof! vanishing driveshaft peices! Driveline shock needs to be managed carefully. Nature of the beast.
..Snipped...

And none of the CART guys or IRL or NASCAR or...... Ever spin the tires when leaving the pit. That's right, nice smooth takeoff, no slip and slide...
And lets not forget the smooth and silky transition in torque during shifts...

Just souds like a maintenance issue. If PV hadn't jumped on it, it prolly woulda backed out on the interstate, or god knows where...

I really like the safety wire idea. I wouldn't have thought of it.

[pbs911]

KC can do what he wants. Personally I did one burn out in my P-car and that was immediately after having to replace the half shaft after three bolted sheared off and the axle dropped. It was for test purposes. I would much rather feel the acceleration from second through 4th. But that is just me.

CART, F1, IRL, NASCAR, sure those guys do burn outs leaving the pits. But they're not driving 20+ year old cars and the cars are gone over with a fine tooth comb after each run. So when you see these guys shearing drive shaft components with new top $$$ parts, you know the drive train takes abuse. When the parts are 20+ years old you can't expect them to hold up.

The price of dropped axles is the cost of off-the-line rapid acceleration.

[Tim Walsh]

that's a really cool video KC.. and stick around, sure there might be some bad apples but that doesn't make the whole batch bad.

[Don Plumley]

Cool video!

[Rob McKibbon]

I can vouch for the Irish temper

We didn't get knicknamed the "fighting Irish" for nothing?
Always punch first, then ask questions.... hard to get that out of your system. Denis you're a bad boy! But a man for apologizing!
When us Irish do spout off it's not intended to be personal, please don't take it that way...... right Eric?
HAH HAH HAH HAH, Just messin with you Eric? Hah HAH hah

[CamB]

You guys are so, so harsh.

Yeah, popping the clutch and doing burnouts is hard on the car (I never do it - I don't want to pay for my fun). I figure KC probably already knew that.

Every time I've been to my local Porsche races, I watch 30 of them drop the clutch on the start line for each race. Each driver training I've been to, I've watched people running a figure 8, tyres spinning, bouncing off the rev limit, etc. The cars are fine.

I don't do it, but I'm willing to bet the 911 is not really any more fragile (the 901 gearbox aside) than most... doesn't RarlyL8 do this sort of stuff semi regularly?

(edit) Just watched the video (which is all class!) and KC doesn't do anything most Porsche owners I know don't do all the time. The "burnout" at 1 min is only squealing the tyres a little - its not a 6,000rpm clutch dump.

You should have seen the disgusting abuse I give (gave?) the BMW all on the basis it is a race car....

By the way, I really have seen a broken axle (on a '73 Lotus Elan +2). It had been converted to proper CVs and axles (not the dodgy Rotoflex it originally had) and one of the axles sheared - there must have been a weak point. Owner was doing exactly what KC did at the 1 min mark...

[crashr]

Love the video KC.