Should I change the color back?

[1979-930]

The miles are 86k not low but not over 100k. I’d say on the high side by 20k for a collector car.
However by the time I’m done it will be a high mileage car.
But they all should be high mile cars by then.

There is some original color behind the door panels and under the car.
But it’s all overspray type of paint. Nothing that would show the true depth of the color.



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[786]

IMO, with 86k miles paint it whatever color you want. That’s not collector grade mileage and a paint job won’t make a difference. Just drive it and enjoy man, don’t sweat the details.

[1979-930]

Originally Posted by SCadaddle

I'm still scratching my head in an attempt to figure out how replacing the front suspension pan would be half way towards a glass out total paint job? Have you actually looked around to see what is involved in this particular metal repair job, or are you just taking someone's word for it?

Well it’s JWE. One of the only shops that will make sure the pan is installed exactly they way it should be. You don’t leave on any of the front body panels, fuel system, AC system, or suspension installed do you? If you really start looking at it the side rockers even need to come off. The AC hoses along the side are in the way. The car has to go on the Cellett.
So maybe it’s 1/3 the way. Semantics right...



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[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by LIRS6

Agreed. I had a glass out/down to bare metal/engine out re-paint. No way 400-500 hrs. Though not cheap - the cost was about $15K.

Jason

Originally Posted by SCadaddle

I'm still scratching my head in an attempt to figure out how replacing the front suspension pan would be half way towards a glass out total paint job? Have you actually looked around to see what is involved in this particular metal repair job, or are you just taking someone's word for it?

Originally Posted by 786

It wouldn’t, sounds like either there are more issues than are being disclosed or OP is being taken for a ride.

Front pan is $280, labor wouldn’t come close to what half a full respray costs.
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/SIC50158020.htm?pn=SIC-501-580-20&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkIjVj7233wIVhsBkCh2jtg98EAQYASAB EgIcN_D_BwE

Originally Posted by 786

400-500 hours? Lol, seriously? I’m not a bodywork expert but that sounds excessive, I’m talking about professionals that do this for a living, not a garage project. Where are you getting this number? By your estimate, a body shop working 8 hours a day on a single car would take around 60 days to finish, meaning they would only complete 6 cars a year...

I’ve personally spoken to several shops in my state to gauge the cost for this and all were in the same ballpark. If you seriously are interested PM me and I’ll send you their contact info. Seems strange several actual shops would quote me one price range and a guy on the internet would more than double it. 400-500 hours x $50/hour would be $20,000-25,000.

I restore cars for a living in addition to state of the art collision repair. I said on average 400-500 hours because the average car has a crazy mish mash of old bodywork, collision, rust etc. you always think you’ve seen it all until the next one. Don’t forget this car has been repainted so it likely had a root cause of that repaint not unlike the current owners mentality about his front pan replacement. Yes more like 90 days minimum and more like 6 months is more realistic. Me personally I would charge not a penny less than $8000 on the front pan and I would start at $30,000 on the paint job and it only goes up from there depending on what I find. My hourly is $100/hr. If you think I’m nuts ask Jimtweet on here that does several builds out of his garage a year if he’s lucky what he thinks about my time estimates. That’s why it’s scary to me what you might get for $8-10k

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 786

IMO, with 86k miles paint it whatever color you want. That’s not collector grade mileage and a paint job won’t make a difference. Just drive it and enjoy man, don’t sweat the details.

Porsche’s are unique in the fact that they are driven. Ferrari’s don’t get driven. Porsche’s get driven an incredible amount. There’s a porsche drive event almost every single weekend among other things. Mileage is not a deal breaker for a porsche unless it’s only 15 or less years old. Does that mean that low mileage examples are worth more? No of course they are. Especially because they are so damn rare.

[786]

Care to post your biz name so I know to avoid it

In all seriousness, you’re talking about what you charge doing builds out of your garage, I’m talking about what professional shops have quoted me who do this work day in day out. Bit of economies of scale at play there. I have seen what their end result is first hand and it’s certainly not scary lol. And to be clear we’re talking about resprays only.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

. . .
The reasons I don’t want to change it are:
Cost
The current paint is nice
The PTS Indiana Metallic Red is not a great color. It’s ok.
Will I not like the color and regret it??

Personally, I think that the Indiana Metallic Red is a horrible color (not as bad a the various shart browns that some 911s are slathered with, butt certainly close) and would not return a car that I liked to that color for any reason.

[nathanbs]

On my own car for a hole the size of a quarter.

[nathanbs]

Originally Posted by 786

Care to post your biz name so I know to avoid it

In all seriousness, you’re talking about what you charge doing builds out of your garage, I’m talking about what professional shops have quoted me who do this work day in day out. Bit of economies of scale at play there. I have seen what their end result is first hand and it’s certainly not scary lol. And to be clear we’re talking about resprays only.

I haven’t worked out of my garage since 1997. I was referring to jimtweet on here that would charge $8000 for a front pan and he works out of his garage. I promise you if I saw the same work you are impressed by I would be horrified. I’m not on here to promote my business and I can’t take in a project for over a year so the feeing is mutual By the way it’s never a “respray only” on any car older than a couple years.

[786]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Personally, I think that the Indiana Metallic Red is a horrible color (not as bad a the various shart browns that some 911s are slathered with, butt certainly close) and would not return a car that I liked to that color for any reason.

Lol, agreed.

[SCadaddle]

No cellette bench going on here, and these guys create the metal. Having a bare tub on a rotisserie is a luxury in this case but not required to do the job.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

. . .
The PTS Indiana Metallic Red is not a great color. It’s ok.
Will I not like the color and regret it??

. . .

Yo' Deez, even if you were to paint the car that nasty (not in a good way! ) color and not actually regret it (don't see how that is possible, however, as you are not blind, as evidenced by you choice of mate ), you will regret the relentless and enduring, virtual pounding that I will give you for doing so! Getcha suuummmmmmmm, bro!!!

[Coastr]

The answer to the question of a repaint:
1) is the rest of the car original? Have wheels, seats, wing been swapped out? Did someone cut big holes for a stereo? Have the original door panels gone and RS cards in place? If original, go to (2)
2) do you ever wish somewhat, even a little bit, like it was more original? Do you lust after shiny unmodified cars?. If yes go to (3)
(3) do you have the funds and time and energy for a glass out, engine out, interior out repaint?

If yes to all those you should repaint. The question of if you like the color can be answered by the fact that 911s look great in every color when presented well. Metallic reds look awesome. As it is PTS you don’t have an original exact color to go by and you can probably tweak it with mica metallic or similar to get it the best possible version of that shade. This is normal, even two GR cars parked next to each other can look different, whether through repaints or through fading.

If no to any, just fix the pan - you won’t need to paint the exterior.

Ps affording it means back to metal and fix the surprises in store.

[shlobeck]

US Spec 525 i believe is Indiana Red metallic. As an owner of a ‘79 930, (minerva) i would love to see the sales documents/sales order/monroney sticker for the car. I like factory original cars but everyone has their own tastes. What’s the paint code inside the door sill, LA3V? I’d put back to the original color, it’s rare and unique. Regardless of your decision you’ll never be in the red with your purchase price, so do what makes you happy.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0814-190688/1979-porsche-930-turbo/

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

Yo' Deez, even if you were to paint the car that nasty (not in a good way! ) color and not actually regret it (don't see how that is possible, however, as you are not blind, as evidenced by you choice of mate ), you will regret the relentless and enduring, virtual pounding that I will give you for doing so! Getcha suuummmmmmmm, bro!!!

He loves your pounding. That’s why he wears a ball gag when he posts.

[G450X]

Originally Posted by SCadaddle

I'm still scratching my head in an attempt to figure out how replacing the front suspension pan would be half way towards a glass out total paint job? Have you actually looked around to see what is involved in this particular metal repair job, or are you just taking someone's word for it?

I agree, if you want to keep the car and like the red paint on the vehicle and the paint is in good condition, I would not repaint it. I’m not sure how the pan replacement equates to a full glass out repaint. I would repair the pan and enjoy the car - it’s not a 20k mile car that will be “devalued” by putting miles on it.

If you want to sell it soon for “top dollar,” a change to the original color is usually advised. I prefer Indiana over Guards Red myself. Most 930’s are Guards Red, very easy to find a good one. Try to find one in Indiana Red, Arrow Blue, or my favorite, Slate Grey...

As far as paint “starting” at $30k (ending up at what, $50k?), leave that for the rare ones unless you want to be upside down quick - a poor financial decision unless you have deep pockets and/or the car is worth a great deal of money.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by G450X

As far as paint “starting” at $30k (ending up at what, $50k?), leave that for the rare ones unless you want to be upside down quick - a poor financial decision unless you have deep pockets and/or the car is worth a great deal of money.

Thank you.

Get your tub fixed by a pro.

The end.

[dwelle]

derrick, thinking this thru, just keep the car GR and get it back on the road and put all that time, energy, and money into getting ice green hot rod going! your car wears the red really well.

786, what state are you in? nathan and i are both in CA, and his numbers aren't off for quality work. i did a color change on my '76 after i did an all steel backdate. i did all the fab work and fitting, bought the paint, stripped the car down and took it to my paint/body guy to do JUST the body work and paint. i didn't paint the trunk or engine compartment (the car is a DD not a show car) and my cost was about $8K. that was all labor, for a nice glass out paint job, but hardly concours. even in the condition i brought the car to him in, there was a lot of work to do, these cars are old. i have more hours into tear down and putting the car back together than i care to admit. i know a bunch of guys here in CA that do 911's, and to do one right is at least $20-30K every time just to get it thru paint. if you have rust or other mods to handle, add $ accordingly...

[RSBob]

If you don’t want to go deep and do a complete repaint you could spend a fraction and get a high quality wrap in virtually any color. Just a thought.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

He loves your pounding. That’s why he wears a ball gag when he posts.

Good point, MountainMan. And just think, Deez's go-to ball gag is Guards Red, so there you have it!