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rlane930 12-24-2018 08:15 PM

Another vote for taking it back to the original color.

1979-930 12-26-2018 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanbs (Post 10293812)
I restore cars for a living in addition to state of the art collision repair. I said on average 400-500 hours because the average car has a crazy mish mash of old bodywork, collision, rust etc. you always think you’ve seen it all until the next one. Don’t forget this car has been repainted so it likely had a root cause of that repaint not unlike the current owners mentality about his front pan replacement.

We had this same conversation at JWE while discussing the pan. The stories they have about "original paint" cars people bring to them to look over. A recent one was so twisted the owner decided to make a race car out of it.
The full repaint on mine does scare me. But the PO really hated the Indiana Red and probably only paid $20k for the car when he got it. I don't think there are any hidden surprises. Fingers crossed.
PO was pushing 70 and wanted to take the wife to Europe. So the 930 was sold.

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Originally Posted by Coastr (Post 10293855)
The answer to the question of a repaint:
1) is the rest of the car original? Have wheels, seats, wing been swapped out? Did someone cut big holes for a stereo? Have the original door panels gone and RS cards in place? If original, go to (2)
2) do you ever wish somewhat, even a little bit, like it was more original? Do you lust after shiny unmodified cars?. If yes go to (3)
(3) do you have the funds and time and energy for a glass out, engine out, interior out repaint?

Good way of looking at it.
#1. Yes/No. It's original or I have the original parts. Nothing is cut. The only non reversible item is the left rear torsion mount started cracking and needed the tub reinforcement plate installed during the suspension resto.

#2. Look original, Yes. Drive Original, No!

#3. Funds and energy, Yes. Time, No.


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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10294390)
He loves your pounding. That’s why he wears a ball gag when he posts.

No comment... :D

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10294706)
Good point, MountainMan. And just think, Deez's go-to ball gag is Guards Red, so there you have it!

Would someone let this guy back in PARF. :rolleyes: SmileWavy


Thank you all for the feedback. Thinking it through I don't have the energy to do the repaint. You know how it is; It does not seem like that much work visualizing it. But after you get going you realize you were wrong.
Yes the front pan is less than half way there. So literal around here. I was just referring to the tear down part of the project. I would tear the car down myself especially when JWE is at $170.00hr rate. I am too much of a do it yourself guy and I don't like to waste money.

So it will stay GR for now. Someday I may get bored and put it back to the original color. Maybe after a few more rock chips and door dings.

M.McCarthy 12-26-2018 06:43 AM

Not sure Inhave been lurking long enough for my vote to count, having said that...

I like the metallic original..it’s unique! Lots of guard reds..
M

Duc Hunter 12-26-2018 07:16 AM

A friend did a front pan on his 911, battery tray was rotted out, for $1500, and his was done in about 2 weeks. That included the parts, and the car drives great and is straight. I was just quoted a starting price of $10k from a diff guy who would use a rack like yours is talking about. That is the “right” way to do it for sure. If the car is worth becoming a pebble beach, 100 point car that is the right way to go. If its a driver then its probably not. The math wont work out to make it worth while to do. Another shop here who builds 911 race cars for historic racing does pans and track crash damage repairs, so they get the cars straight.....and they are no wher near what the “right” way would be.

Matt Monson 12-26-2018 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 10295649)
Yes the front pan is less than half way there. So literal around here. I was just referring to the tear down part of the project. I would tear the car down myself especially when JWE is at $170.00hr rate. I am too much of a do it yourself guy and I don't like to waste money.

I'm in the same boat as you with the same repair. Only real difference is my car was just painted and the guy I got it from conveniently "missed" the rust when he did it. I've got most of the front end apart already and only need to remove the fuel system before I trailer it over to the body shop.

chrisbalich 12-26-2018 09:38 AM

a PTS color with Indiana in the name?

how can you say no?

Indiana is the best.
/thread

1979-930 12-26-2018 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisbalich (Post 10295818)
a PTS color with Indiana in the name?

how can you say no?

Indiana is the best.
/thread

The original owner was a Dr. that lived in Indiana. I'll give you one guess why I think he chose the color when ordering. :D

Mocker 12-26-2018 10:39 AM

As one '79 930 owner to another--put it back to original!

Leaving the world with one fewer Guards Red Porsche is a favor to all mankind (although, as somebody already mentioned, your car wears it well!).

chrisbalich 12-26-2018 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 10295847)
The original owner was a Dr. that lived in Indiana. I'll give you one guess why I think he chose the color when ordering. :D

:D:D:D
he sounds like a helluva guy to me!

Rawknees'Turbo 12-26-2018 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1979-930 (Post 10295649)
. . .


Would someone let this guy back in PARF. :rolleyes: SmileWavy


Yo' Deez, I couldn't hear that clearly - you are either mumbling, and/or you have something obstructing yer oral communicator!

gr jetson 12-26-2018 06:30 PM

Let me suggest a few points for your consideration that have been hinted at but not fully articulated yet.

1. Repainting the car in such an unusual color will not necessarily raise the value for everyone. For some, like me, Indiana Red is a deal breaker. For that matter, so is Guards Red, but I could possibly be tempted to look closer.

2. What is the quality of the present paint job? If it is cheap (unpainted, or poorly painted, trunk and engine compartment), you might as well paint it. (Go onto number 5.)

3. Some of us can't really fully enjoy a 911 that has poor quality work, or that has an interior or exterior color that we hate. This relates to point 1 & 2. If a car had a unoriginal color that I liked, which was expertly done, I would be far more interested in it than an original color car that I hated.

4. Do you plan on keeping the car for at least 5 years? Do you enjoy the Guards Red? Would you enjoy the Indiana Red? If the answer to the first question is yes, and the answer to the last two questions is no, then the only question that really matters is the last question in this list, number 5. If you enjoy Guards Red or would enjoy Indiana Red, question number 5 also applies here.

5. Paint work is labor intensive, and it always reflects the cost. Is the cost of a good paint job a stretch, or do you have a pile of money that you need to spend?

No one can answer these questions for you, so other's answers are not really helpful here. You might want to have the tub professionally repaired and sell it, so you can start with something more to your liking.

nathanbs 12-26-2018 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10295746)
I'm in the same boat as you with the same repair. Only real difference is my car was just painted and the guy I got it from conveniently "missed" the rust when he did it. I've got most of the front end apart already and only need to remove the fuel system before I trailer it over to the body shop.

I did my tub a la carte on my ‘74 targa pictured previously in the post. Totally and easily doable just have to be careful and takes forever.

nathanbs 12-26-2018 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc Hunter (Post 10295692)
A friend did a front pan on his 911, battery tray was rotted out, for $1500, and his was done in about 2 weeks. That included the parts, and the car drives great and is straight. I was just quoted a starting price of $10k from a diff guy who would use a rack like yours is talking about. That is the “right” way to do it for sure. If the car is worth becoming a pebble beach, 100 point car that is the right way to go. If its a driver then its probably not. The math wont work out to make it worth while to do. Another shop here who builds 911 race cars for historic racing does pans and track crash damage repairs, so they get the cars straight.....and they are no wher near what the “right” way would be.

2 weeks is about right. Sounds like the guy charged about $10 per hour plus parts and materials = $1500.

porschenut 12-30-2018 08:25 AM

All of this Guards Red hate gives me a warm fuzzy! I used to hate GR but now I love it, and want a 911 in that color. Sounds like I'll be able to look forward to a "GR discount" when I shop for one.

On the color change question...you're considering going from one color that's "ok, not great" to another color that's "ok, not great", merely because you want it to be a unique (almost) color. That seems unwise to me. If you want it to be unique, then at least go with a new color that you LOVE, and that the market will love when you go to sell it. Very little value will be added by returning it to its original color. Most of the car's paint value was lost when the original factory paint was sacrificed. At this point, it will always be a repaint, and for that reason the only thing that will matter from now on is what you and prospective buyers will think of whatever the chosen color is.

I say, either leave it as is and save the money, or paint it a color you LOVE. Otherwise, you'll still be dissatisfied with it even after spending all the dough to make it Indiana Red Metallic.

Jgordon 01-02-2019 04:44 PM

I have to believe that the people who would (might) assign value for it BEING the original color, would also detract value for its having been resprayed twice, front pan replaced, 90k miles...

You bought it cheap because it was non-original. Why put all that savings back into the car to end up with something you're not thrilled about? I'd either keep it the GR or find a color you love.

pc100porsche 05-15-2019 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 786 (Post 10293237)
Adding a “huge amount” of value is pure conjecture, I find that highly doubtful.

Respray is $5-8k in Texas. Some charge more but that is the range I have heard most often.


I got quoted $3K to strip / paint just a hood by Stewart’s in Dallas ( price seemed that stupidly high that I just bought another hood From this site) ......
.who would you recommend in Tx In theoretically the $5K to $8K range for a respray ?


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