914 six 2.2 engine spec request?

[911heaven]

Is anyone in the know on these? I don't,t have the engine number yet, but I have come across one I think, that is, complete engine and trans, not a car. I'm almost sure it is 2.2 because I was told so, and the owner knows because his friend needed p&c for a 2.0 a year ago, and I found those for him from another friend here in Japan -- the equivalent of 70T 911 spec parts.

However, if the engine in question is 2.2, then it may have been modified, or, if I'm lucky, an original 2.2. Having called my friend today in OC, CA who knows the 914 fairly well, he said in 71 there were some 2.2 models built, but rare. He said if someone were to modify a 2.0, wouldn't they do it up as a 2.4 to begin with? That's why I would like to know anything about the original 2.2 before I try to buy this one.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated,

Bernard

[mb911]

No 914-6 came with 2.2 engine from the factory. Very likely someone just changed pistons and cylinders on the factory 2.0 .. When you start talking 916s and GT cars that was more wild wild west if you will..

[Flat6pac]

The 914/6 engine as far as I know were all 2.0
If there were 2.2 factory installed motors, I’m sure it would carry a different 901/ number to signify a 2.2 over 2.0.
Both cases being the same, the stamping would separate the two.
Both motors used the same bottom end, the cylinders of the 2.0 differ in sealing surfaces and head and valve sizes. Cylinders are slip in on only different on internal size.
2.4 would use a different crank and rods with the piston skirts would be modified to clear the counter balances on the crank, most things inside the case have to be changed.
Bruce

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by mb911

No 914-6 came with 2.2 engine from the factory. Very likely someone just changed pistons and cylinders on the factory 2.0 .. When you start talking 916s and GT cars that was more wild wild west if you will..

Thank you Ben! I don't know much about 914 - 6. So no hope in this case apparently. Still, if I were to get a good price if purchased, would it be still something to the equivalent of a 70T engine with an inequivalent engine number? Also it is 2.2 now. Would it still be desirable to someone other than a 914 or a Volkswagen owner, i.e. 911 owner do you think?

Thanks for the help,

Bernard

[mb911]

I think the 2.2 and 2.4 engines are great less stressed cases and can still be a fun engine..

For someone building a 914-6 conversion its valuable (there are allot of folks doing that now) and also a long hood 911 looking for the missing engine to make it numbers matching.

No idea about the VW guys.

[Jack Stands]

Sure, any short stroke (66mm) engine is a delight. Now that folks are building 4.0 liter engines, they seem small but are still fun in a light car such as an early 911 or 914.

[911heaven]

I’m still inquisitive about this motor in question. Today I called the friend, asked how in the heck he knows that it is a 2.2? I was going to go there to a remote area tomorrow or the next day, but it’s still New Year holiday here and not the best time. He replied that from the engine no. he knew it was 2.2, and that would have been years and years ago. Something is fishy here. In his mind it is a 914-6, and 2.2 based on engine no. It’s been stored for years, just in storage. This guy is pretty clued on as far as these things go. I don’t doubt his memory or his knowledge. Unfortunately, with both of our schedules, I won’t be able to get there until early February.

Also there is a 914 tranny stored nearby the motor. I assume it was the mate to this motor. Even so, would it be worth trying to acquire if indeed it matches the original motor. I don’t know much about 914 or 914-6, but aren’t they all 901s, aren’t they all the same and kind of worthless? Or if it matches the engine on number, would it be worth getting as well. Moreover, did any of those 901 transmissions have better ratios? Sorry for the ignorant questions. I know some people out there are very clued in on these cars.

Much appreciated,

Bernard

[mepstein]

The 914-6 engine case is a different part number than a 911T. The 914-6 trans is a different part number than an early 914-4 tailshifter and worth about $1,500 as a core vs $150 for the four trans.

[Matt Monson]

It will be a 901/36 or 901/38 case. Would have been 2l from the factory. Get a picture or two of it before you make the drive.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

It will be a 901/36 or 901/38 case. Would have been 2l from the factory. Get a picture or two of it before you make the drive.

Thank you Matt, Mepstein, Jack Stands, mb911 and Flat6pac for all the great input and expertise!

To Matt I wanted to say, getting a pix is not so easy. Should have done it while there, but the day was short and we were dealing on other things. Also, one doesn’t always want to take a picture when negotiating. I don’t know about horse culture much, but a KIWI friend in the business once told me that if someone gives you a horse, you don’t go and look at its teeth. Conversely, if you want a good deal, you can’t look so interested either. You know what I mean. One has to play ones cards right or the price might just go through the roof. Moreover, in the deep country here, often you have to chew pickles (bullsh-t about nothing for a while before you can even get to business). Forget about that the day is short and you drive 5-6 hours round trip. I won’t mind driving back there in early Feb. because the last time we chewed pickles will most likely have a positive affective exponential result next trip.

Speaking of which, a year ago there I loaded up a 964 trans for 50,000 yen, broken off rear mount on case, but I didn’t look at the horses teeth, thought I was getting away with bloody murder. When I got home, noticed it was locked up and through the orifices could see rust inside. Days later I took it back, and rather than get the money back, I opted to buy other parts. Boy oh boy did I get a trove! Moreover, that trip was only to pick up a GT-R 32 short block that was checked and negotiated on a subsequent trip.

That’s the question I wanted to run by you Matt. Should I get that 964 trans again if I can buy it for less. Also there is an SC trans locked up there, cut out for a crank angle sensor?. Are such transmissions that aren’t moving salvageable at bottom end prices? I don’t know too much about transmissions, that is why I’m asking the ultimate gearhead on the forum. I guess its relative as to how much rust, but just asking for a little advice.

Sorry for the mouthful,

Bernie

[Flat6pac]

The 914/6 internal case stamping (901/36) and serial number is located by the thermostat and case breather so it can be seen from the top.
Bruce