Who is using Toyo R888 or R888R on Fuchs?
 

I'm about to put my Fuchs 16 by 7&9 back on my car.

Toyo Proxes R1R was my first choice but I'm not sure if I can get them in the sizes I want.
I am contemplating R888r (dry weather car)

a few questions

What is the best size for the front tires? (7" R16)
205 or 225?
what height, 45? 50? 55?
I'm not a big fan of bulging over the rim look.
But most of all, I want it to look similar to the rear tires.
For the rears I'm going with 245/45 R16


Is the TR1 something to consider? they are also available in 215.

When I had those wheel sizes, I used 205/55 up front and found that they bulged a little more than the rear 245/45.

I am trying to decide the same thing, I have fuchs 16x7/9 and in need to tires, there are not much for options in a 205/55R16 and 245/45r16 beside the Toyo R888r
Anyone run two different kinds of tires?
I am from Minnesota and I wont be driving it in winter but the spring/fall temps can be in the 40's , are the toyo R888r ok to be running in that cold of temps?

You may get the size 205/50 at front (regular is 205/55).

Though regarding manufacturer, I opted for the new(*) 2019 Yokohama AD08 RS.
grip performance obviously is wayyyy better than a street tire, but it also has good wet performance, as the 888 has about none.

(*new RS, even more sophisticated compound than the previous R, more longlivity etc.)


I run 7/8x16 with 205/55, 225/50
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Flojo,

Thanks for the info. How are you liking them? Have you had them for long?

The 2019 Yokohama AD08 "RS" look like a great tires but they are not listed as a option on Yokohama website, just as a new release. Anyone know where to get these from?

Wow, rapid and useful responses, I love this Forum.

205/55 was my what my gut feeling was telling me.

But damn, Flo, thanks for putting another option in the crosshairs.
I mostly take my car out when it's dry, but you never know when you get caught in a surpise shower.


EDIT
I can't seem to find the 245 size online though.
Yokohama Belgium says they do not make those in 245/45/16..

Back to TOYO..

There is another Yokohama tire I found, the ADVAN A052, They make them in a 205/55r16, 225/50r16 and 245/45r16.

and we're looking at yokohama again ... :)

my bad. I misread the 225/45 offer.

never mind, just get the regular rear size 225/50 on an 8x16 Fuchs.
See in my picture how it sits.

as the Yoko has an reinforced sidewall, you will not need the 245/45 stiffnes which a street tire needs on a 9x16

and the grip compensates the missing 20 width.


The A052 is a 245/45 option, though its a real race tire, like the Avon or Michelin. They are great for track but don't last long and have nearly no wet performance.
You don't want to change these rears 4-5 times a year.

Do you want track tire?
If you do then Toyo 888 is available in the sizes you want, I agree that 205/50 on a 7, is an easier fit than 205/55 because of the lower height

or Toyo RA1 but they don't have a 205 so you would need a 225/50 front

Pirelli Trofeo and P Zero Rosso both have 205/55 & 245/45 x16 the Troffeo is another track tire the Rosso is a street tire

The only Yoko 245/45 x16 I can find is A052 w/ either 205/50 or /55 front, again either works but the /50 is an easier fit.

205/55 on Fuchs 7 gets very close to the fender lip, actual fit will depend on suspension spec, settings and height

*but it also has good wet performance, as the 888 has about none.

....I DE these (R888R) in the rain....they work for me

Bill, don’t really want race tires, but limited availability is what it is.

Pirelli is too costly for the limited amount of miles I do.

Sizes I have figured out, I think.
245/45 R16 for the rear
205/50 R16 for the front because of the easier fit. My car is lowered and I hate rubbing tires.

Leaning towards the Toyo R888r unless I learn that the Yoko A052 is a much better tire.

Thanks guys!

The 052 is a DoT R like the 888 and RA1, it is comparable to BFG Rival S 1.5, B/S RE71, Direzza ZIII but seems to be slightly better liked

Ive used Potenza RE-11's with good results, just to add another option :)
When I bought them the sizes were fairly plentiful in the 16,17" range too.

(Not really directed at you, Helix, just commenting for Geronimo.)

I track the R888R's in the rain too and they noticeably lose grip in the corners but seem ok on the straights.

However, keep in mind most tracks have much better grip than your typical street which can be unpredictable. I think what we're trying to say is if you get caught in the rain with R888R's on just don't drive balls out, common sense should prevail.

I'm using the Proxes R888 on 7's & 8's sizes 205/55 & 225/50.

I find them quite noisey at certain speeds. Does anyone else notice this or do I have a drivetrain problem?

I'd go for Bridgestone S02.

Not in 245, Arlo.

(PS, Still enjoying the Recaro SPA's I bought from you. The Ruf wheels are getting a break in favor of the Fuchs now. :))

^^Those have been NLA for a couple years now.

I've put 2.5 sets of the R888Rs on my '88 since last spring. I'm running 225/45s in front on 8" wheels and 245/45s on the 9" rears and I love the grip. My car is otherwise pretty much stock and we have had a blast not giving much up to better cars.

I've driven on them from Arkansas to LA twice and yes they are noisy, especially as they age, but it's fine with the windows down as God intended. We put a set on my wife's 997 4S (235 & 305) and they are 3x louder in that car.

They are definitely a little hairy in standing water. I inadvertently drove through some snow going up and down Donner pass headed to Luft5. That was terrifying AF.

I'll probably try out the Yokos next go around, probably in the Spring before I do another rallye or cross-country trip to Luft7.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...7c&oe=5E2E2DBD
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The "new" A052 (200tw version) is said to be pretty good in the wet. There are correct height 16" options, too. Upper end of the trackable street spectrum. As in, I can run these on the track if I want.

The r888 / R is the streetable track. As in, I can get away with driving to my track day if I want.

The best part about those is that they have them in 245! Since Bridgestone left the party we've had few options. When I was still on narrow wheels I ran the Star Specs II (2015) and then the RE71R.

How do the A052 compare to those?

Haven't run them myself, but friends say they're similar to the Rival S but better in the wet and more tolerant of heat.

Advan AO52
 

I got a set of Yokohama ADVAN A052 for my '86 Carrera to take to the track.
205/55-16 and 245/45-16 on 7" and 9" rims.

Granted, I need more tire in front (this is what I've always used), but i think these had better bite than the RE-11 that I had been using for years. And...... they hardly squealed at all. My Re-11s always squealed weather new or old.

It was really strange that for half a day I was perplexed as to what was going on because I was way off. Eventually, I figured out that I wasn't pushing so much as before and thus didn't need to turn the wheel as much (more bite). I was sort of making tiny corrections all the time (first half of the day) because I was turning in too much - that's the way it always was and I was used to it with the RE-11. With the A052s I could wait a little longer. Pretty cool.

I was just in Belgium in April, ( April.. i know) and it rained every 45 min for 10 min. so I would go with a tire that can handle a bit of wet..

True, rain is never far away.
My 911 is a garage queen, only sees water when it gets a shower.

Still haven’t decided, R888r or Advan A052. Leaning towards the Yokohama’s.
Got winter season to make up my mind.

Still following this thread :D

I'm also in the decision betweed the Toyo and the Advan.
I like both for the look, but I think if you get caught in wet condition (Belgium) the Advan is maybe a better choice?

I just installed a set of the Toyos, as no one has the Yokos in stock. I think Tire Rack has them (Yokos) backordered for 3 or 4 months. I figured both tires aren't really ideal for the rain, so drive carefully regardless. And living in SoCal, this car doesn't see any rain anyway.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1571246783.jpg

Are those 7 and 9’s?

Which tire size did you get on the front wheels?

They probably are.
I don’t know how much better they are in the wet so it’s difficult to decide if it is going to be relevant.
When it rains, my speed drops instantly. No matter what tires I am using. The lack of esp, abs, traction control is enough reason to be careful.

Dry weather grip, rolling noise, handling are more important to me, I guess.

From what I’ve read, they are both good tires and very negative reviews of either are rather rare.

Yes, 7s & 9s. I went with stock 930 sizing for my car.

205/55/16 & 245/45/16.

exactly. that's why I got the new Yoko Neova

Returning from #flaternity6 (Black Forrest) in the rain. Perfect handling, no fear at all.

Ok, I've got maybe 50 miles on these new R888Rs, so still too early to give any feedback on their grippiness, but people aren't kidding when they comment on the tread noise. It's not noticable at speed, what with the noises from the motor, wind, and transmission. But when coasting with the clutch in, it's like running off-road tires from a lifted 4x4.

Wait till they wear!

Just wanted to update this thread. I ended up cording one of my front R888Rs while driving out in Colorado last week. I just checked and they had 12,000 miles on them! The tire actually had plenty of tread left but corded from camber wear on the right front.

My rears are almost to 6k miles and the right side is into the secondary rubber but still has way more grip than my new Conti Extreme Contacts that I put on the front to get home.

Would you please share the alingment specs , front and rear, and tire size
Thanks
Ian

It's been a year since I've aligned it. I know the RF had more camber than the LF. I think it was 1.8/2.2. I think I tried to set the rear at 2.5. Don't quote me on that.

Tires are 225/45 & 245/45 on 16x8s & 9s.

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net...8c&oe=5EFCB6B5

FWIW, a small amount of camber by itself shouldn't cause much wear, unless it's coupled with toe.

Negative camber and toe in fight each other in road force, so a lot of both equals rapid inside shoulder wear.

There's a good chance the toe is out. It's been a hard year

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I think I've figured out your wear issue... :)

Amazing photo.

You can read my detailed review of the T1R in this thread below, post #17. The short of it, do not buy those tires under any circumstance.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/1061368-16-tires.html#post10870711

*Just realized this thread is a year old but might be useful to anyone else looking at the very limited options of 245 for their 16x9s