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Catch can full
Pretty new to driving an old 911, but is it normal that the oil catch can gets full.
I have a 1973 RSR tribute with a 2.8. I had it for about 200 miles and today the catch can spilled oil all over the garage for the 2nd time. I am talking a full quart of oil in the catch can. First time I thought they put too much oil in. So I made sure I checked the oil level while running. Is this normal, did I put too much oil in to begin with? Bad venting somewhere? Thanks Christian |
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a catch can coming from what? your oil breather hose on top of the engine or from your oil tank?
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From the oil tank
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Are you talking about changing your oil? If so, typically around 12 quarts. So, if you don't have a large oil container it will overflow.
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No, after driving for a while the catch can is full and spilling oil.
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check/empty the catch can often enough . . . Something else is we only fill the oil to 1/2 inch above the low mark to keep from blowing oil out of the tank into the catch can. But, we still get oil in the vented catch can. Most likely you have just filled to too high a level when changing the oil. Do you have a drain to empty the catch can? Is the can only a one quart/liter size? Is the can connected from the tank and also to the case breather - or does the can end at the tank and have it's own air vent? Others on this Forum may be more helpful and definitely more knowledgeable . . . Regards,
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is it the factory oil tank or a front mounted aftermarket one?
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From what I can tell, it’s the factory oil tank.
By catch can, I am being generous in saying that. It’s an old Porsche quart size oil bottle. I don’t see any venting anywhere, the oil bottle catch cans has a “breather hole” in it |
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dump the catch can out and recycle the oil
it should take a while to fill up post pics & mileage, etc. for more info |
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can you get us a picture or two of what you're talking about and how the thing is plumbed?
I added a catch can to my 3.0 because I no longer have the factory CIS and airbox. I ran the vent line from the crankcase to the catch can and then the other fitting on the catch can to the oil tank. My catch can also has a vent with a filter on top of it. I can drive VERY hard for a couple of weeks and not have more than a couple of tablespoons worth of fluid in the catch can. Not really oil either, it smells more like moonshine. I have less than 15K miles on my motor rebuild so probably not a lot of blow-by, which I think is what normally gets blamed for what you are seeing.
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One possibility of a rapidly filling catch can from oil tank and/or crankcase breather cover is excessive blowby past the pistons rings - the pressure this creates in the crankcase pushes the oil out.
One way to test is to perform a cylinder leakage test (leakdown test) and put your ear near the oil tank's fill spout (cap off) and see if you can hear any hissing (blowby past rings). Another way to sort or test is to run the engine with the oil fill cap off and look to see if there is an excessive amount of oil vapor, or even oil mist, coming out when you increase the revs some. If there is not excessive blowby then you'll just see some wispy vapors, but nothing alarming. |
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I have never heard of a catch can? Where does it come from? What is it? How about a picture?
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The oil tank fill neck is the highest point, vent line should originate there.
I located a Jaz catch can with a vent in the left rear wheel well for no oil fume mess in engine compartment. Hose runs from oil tank with thru fitting into wheel well along top of engine compartment
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Breather hose attached from oil filler where original breather hose connected oil tank to engine case breather at rear of engine - [case connection] Wrong - intake connection is blocked and hose does not connect to engine intake - catch can has air filter on top to allow pressure equalizing (as I understand the system) The catch can has a turn cock fitting on the bottom to remove accumulated oil. I hope this photo helps . . . Regards, ![]()
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So is this a necessity? (Running a catch can) Can't the breather on the top of the block go to the breather fitting on the oil tank?
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in one of those areas. These catch cans I believe are used on modified high performance engines - like the OPs 2.8L engine . . . and our race engine with cams and 12.5 CR pistons and dyno tuned ECU chip by Mr. Wong . . . ![]() Regards, Roy T
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Grady Clay* laid out the factors for a catch can in an old thread - OP needs to post pics... * as usual... |
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In stock trim, most road cars, including 911s, vent the crankcase gases (oil tank, too, with 911s) back to the intake in order to be burned in the combustion chambers. This is not ideal from a performance standpoint, as the oily vapor can promote detonation, and also gums up intake components over time.
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