Will these Fuchs work on my 89 Carrera?

[jsweetd]

I just bought an 89 Carrera and it has a set of gold Group 4 Campy rims 16x7 in the front and 16x8 in the rear, these are definitely growing on me but would like to mix it up with an OG look too. I have a friend that has an extra set of Fuchs that I can pick up for $1000. Bought in 2001 from the local Porsche dealer he used them with his track tires, they look mint. Thanks in advance.

7jx16 Porsche part # 951 362 115

[theiceman]

yup that's what i run on my SC, no issues.. i have some spacer for the back to fill out the fender a little, even have the longer studs, just wish i wasnt so lazy as i think it would look pretty good.

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by jsweetd

7jx16 Porsche part # 951 362 115

Wait, you're going to run a square (non-staggered) set-up? Your friend has 4 wheels in the same 7x16 size?

I love the Campys, BTW. One of the best-looking non-Fuchs wheel out there.

[Flojo]

Originally Posted by jsweetd

I just bought an 89 Carrera and it has a set of gold Group 4 Campy rims 16x7 in the front and 16x8 in the rear, ..115

check on et!

911-numbered Fuchs:
the 7x16 up front needs et 23
the 8x16 rear needs et 10.3-11
(the 9x16 rear needs 15)

Originally Posted by jsweetd

7jx16 Porsche part # 951 362 115

this 951 numbered Fuchs is from the 944 Turbo and has the same 23.3 offset as its 911-brother.
BUT it has one major asset:
the inner hump is slimmer and gives more room for bigger calipers.

[jsweetd]

Originally Posted by Noah930

Wait, you're going to run a square (non-staggered) set-up? Your friend has 4 wheels in the same 7x16 size?

I love the Campys, BTW. One of the best-looking non-Fuchs wheel out there.

Yeah he says they are all the same size. I guess if it was a good deal and they fit the car I would get some spacers for the rear or look for a set of 16x8 and then sell the extra 16x7s.

I do love the Group 4s but want to be able to swap between the 2. I currently have a few air-cooled VW's but they all have a stock look. I have loved the look of the Fuchs since I was a kid and I finally get into the Porsche brand and the car doesn't have them,lol.

[jsweetd]

Originally Posted by Flojo

check on et!

911-numbered Fuchs:
the 7x16 up front needs et 23
the 8x16 rear needs et 10.3-11
(the 9x16 rear needs 15)



this 951 numbered Fuchs is from the 944 Turbo and has the same 23.3 offset as its 911-brother.
BUT it has one major asset:
the inner hump is slimmer and gives more room for bigger calipers.

Thanks! Sounds like they will work for me? I will check the ET

[jsweetd]

Originally Posted by theiceman

yup that's what i run on my SC, no issues.. i have some spacer for the back to fill out the fender a little, even have the longer studs, just wish i wasnt so lazy as i think it would look pretty good.

Thanks! How big are your spacers and where did you get them?

[Erbe_911]

That should fit, if the offsets are correct. 16x6 and 16x7 was OE and a lot of guys upsize to 16x7 and 16x8. It may look a little off running that square setup without spacers, though, since the rears will be much more tucked and the fronts will be pretty flush.


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[racer]

951 7's and 8's have a narrower outside lip than the 911 versions. As such, at quick glance, 951 7s and 8s often look like 911 6s and 7s. The 951 7 will fit front or rear your 911. It just really wont look right. When I ran 951 7s front and 8s rear on my SC looked underwhelming due to a lack of a wide lip. 911 8s or 930 9s look best on the back of a 911.

[ab1752]

My 89 has 6" and 8" as stock factory wheels. If you can find a set of 8s for the rears and use a pair of 7s up front I think that would look great. 9s will be really speedy. The extra 7s will sell easily.

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by jsweetd

I just bought an 89 Carrera and it has a set of gold Group 4 Campy rims 16x7 in the front and 16x8 in the rear, these are definitely growing on me but would like to mix it up with an OG look too. I have a friend that has an extra set of Fuchs that I can pick up for $1000. Bought in 2001 from the local Porsche dealer he used them with his track tires, they look mint. Thanks in advance.

7jx16 Porsche part # 951 362 115

7jx16 Porsche part # 951 362 115

That is a 944 wheel, It is the same in all respects as the 911.xxx.xxx.xx 7x16 Fuchs except for the extra caliper clearance.

As such both fit the same

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by ab1752

My 89 has 6" and 8" as stock factory wheels. If you can find a set of 8s for the rears and use a pair of 7s up front I think that would look great. 9s will be really speedy. The extra 7s will sell easily.

correct, I'll just add that there are 944 8s with the wrong o/s for rear SC/Carrera use w/o a spacer

9s are a nice plus, but you need to decide what tire to use first

911 8ET10.6 wants a 225/50
930 9ET 15 wants a 245/45

[proporsche]

Hi Bill ..what is wrong with the o/s 8th fuchs from 944? o/s is offset correct?

I have them on my front and they are perfect.....
Ivan

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by racer

951 7's and 8's have a narrower outside lip than the 911 versions. As such, at quick glance, 951 7s and 8s often look like 911 6s and 7s. The 951 7 will fit front or rear your 911. It just really wont look right. When I ran 951 7s front and 8s rear on my SC looked underwhelming due to a lack of a wide lip. 911 8s or 930 9s look best on the back of a 911.

Not true at all

All Fuchs that were oe's on 911 or 944 have the same lips, The are ~.35" each side


Here are 2 7x16 Et23.3 Fuchs the upper is a 911 wheel w/ 911 part #the lower a 944 wheel w/ 951 part #





The difference can be seen where the countersunk holes for the bolts are, 951 7 & 8 both have deeper counter sinks, thee 930 9 also has these deeper counter sinks

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by proporsche

Hi Bill ..what is wrong with the o/s 8th fuchs from 944? o/s is offset correct?

I have them on my front and they are perfect.....
Ivan

951 part # 8s are ET23.3, 911 part# 8 are ET10.6

the 911 8 is designed for rear use on an SC/Carrera it has a f/s of 100mm and projects outboard ~25mm more than the 951 8 w/ a f/s of ~75mm

The 951s can be squeezed into the front of a 911 but it is not a happy fit and requires lots of work and multiple compromises That also depend on the tire used. To fit there a 911 8" front really wants an ET from 25 to 31, the higher the numerical ET the more lip room but the less room at the shock sleeve and inner fender

[Bill Verburg]

In front an SC/Carrera gets into trouble when the tire f/s gets to ~3.5"(89mm)
In back an SC/Carrera gets into trouble when the tire f/s gets to ~4.5"(114mm)
additional lip room can be generated by
shaving lips, using shorter or narrower tires
using extra neg camber
raising ride height

[Bill Verburg]

Here's a comparison of a typical SC/Carrera 16" setup 7 & 8 vs 8 & 9


Of note
1) the 8ET23.3 is right up against a fairly hard limit wrt f/s
2) despite the larger wheels & tires the torque cost of the 8 & 9 is palpably lower than the 7 & 8

[proporsche]

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

951 part # 8s are ET23.3, 911 part# 8 are ET10.6

the 911 8 is designed for rear use on an SC/Carrera it has a f/s of 100mm and projects outboard ~25mm more than the 951 8 w/ a f/s of ~75mm

The 951s can be squeezed into the front of a 911 but it is not a happy fit and requires lots of work and multiple compromises That also depend on the tire used. To fit there a 911 8" front really wants an ET from 25 to 31, the higher the numerical ET the more lip room but the less room at the shock sleeve and inner fender

That is true...i had to play a little with the height but so far have them there for 22 years with 205/55/16 Conti tires and very happy
Never had any problem with rubbing on the fender..never trimed them.. my latest alignment done by an oldtimer without any computer just using string and pencil;-).in south France
Ivan

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by proporsche

That is true...i had to play a little with the height but so far have them there for 22 years with 205/55/16 Conti tires and very happy
Never had any problem with rubbing on the fender..never trimed them.. my latest alignment done by an oldtimer without any computer just using string and pencil;-).in south France
Ivan

As I pointed out above tires are an important factor

The whole point of using an 8 over a 7 is to use a 225 or larger tire;
when a 205/55 is used on an 8 it is stretched beyond spec, This can be done, I have also done it at times but I don't feel comfortable w/ it. Additionally using a 205/55 vs a 225/45 adds additional clearance on both sides of the tire, using a 205/50 over a 205/55 would have added additional clearance because it is shorter

[proporsche]

thanx