Reminder how unsafe the open road can be!
 

This accident occurred yesterday morning on Pescadero Road. I’ve driven this stretch of road many times on drives out to the coast. Praying that the driver will be ok.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/driver-airlifted-with-major-injuries-after-crash-near-pescadero

Dang, my thoughts are with the driver, be careful out there!


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Looks like the Porsche did pretty well at protecting the passenger compartment, but obviously no airbags, etc.. Just have to pray the driver will be OK.

You can see the bridge where this happened on Satellite view. By where the vehicles came to rest it appears the 911 was headed west and crossed over center.

Yikes - I hope all involved are OK.

Was wondering about possible root cause -- thx

photo raises a lot of questions

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607301973.jpg

A reminder to not outdrive your skill set and stay on your side of the road.

from the damage to the rear and the " stuff" on the rear tires, looks like they may have lost control and the truck unfortunately caught the last of what happened. Hope everyone is OK. Be careful everyone

That was my first thought as well, unfortunately. I hope the driver is OK ...

Somebody on the local Facebook group commented that it could be black ice... 36 degrees overnight in that area.

They only made it 50' onto the bridge and the bridge is straight. There is no way 36° and 50' of straight bridge could get him completely over the center line.

He had to have come out of the last corner and crossed the center line in a big way. Here is the view looking east to the corner the Porsche just came out of.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1607307250.jpg

The bridge is about 500' west on Pescadero Creek Rd from the intersection with Dearborn Park Rd.

36 listed by NWS could easily be 32 on that bridge. I like Quicksilver’s version, maybe into some ice on the bridge and loses it trying to get back in his own lane when he sees the suv approaching.

Yeah, that's what it looks like.

Car lost control swiped the passenger side on the bridge, bounced off and crossed over.

The truck swerved to the right trying to avoid the head-on but ran out of room.

Windshield is gone.
Driver sustained massive head injuries.
I am guessing he was ejected from the car.

Hope the driver make a full recovery.

The windshield is definately gone, put would probably happen whether the driver hit it or not. That right front corner to quite a high impact forced. You can see how far back the door hing post was pushed if you look at the A-pillar angle relative to the door window frame.

Almost look like it's got a roll bar with a diagonal brace installed, though it could be a reflection. If he was belted in and his head whipped back an hit that bar, it would explain massive head injury. Cages are great in a racing setting where you're wearing a helmet, but in a street car it definately increases the risk of head injury.

Here's the latest from his family (posted on Facebook)

"On Saturday, December 5th 2020, my dad started his Saturday the best way he knew how. He went out with his buddies to take a drive in their Porches. With only a couple minutes out from his final destination, my dad hit a slick spot on the road and went head on into oncoming traffic. His car was completely totaled and he was left with serious injuries. He was then airlifted to Stanford Hospital and his condition continues to change everyday."

RGrupper, super nice guy and needs your prayers.

Looks like the same car. Is he a member here?

300 Members, 300 Porsches: The Family Behind RGruppe - Speedhunters

http://speedhunters-wp-production.s3...i-1200x800.jpg

Wheels are different. Mirrors are the same though.

Lower profile summer tires below 50 degrees are rubbish.

Even kids know to put a hockey puck in the freezer so they can play hockey in the streets in the summer.

The mediocrity of All-Season tires keeps me safe year round, because they force you to drive slower.

EDIT:

Yep, same car different wheels.

Putting Winter Tires to the Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LA5UQ39i1w&feature=emb_logo
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Post #9
https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784893
Post #17
https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784893
Tire Rack
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=273
Using summer tires in winter
https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/auto-care/safe-driving/using-summer-tires-in-winter

Hope he is for the most part okay.

I hope the driver makes a full recovery as soon as possible.

For the rest of us driving fast 911s on the road, it would be interesting to understand if something failed in the accident. I find it worrying that the unfortunate driver sustained serious head injuries. Especially when considering the relatively small deformations of the cockpit.

This is also a reminder that, setting aside things like driving within the limits of conditions and your ability, etc. our cars are not particularly safe in a crash. This is a body shell that was designed in the early 60s, after all. It's likely that if this collision had taken place with the victim in a modern car, he would have walked away and gone home.

Again from Facebook:

"... one of his major injuries from the crash was his left leg. He broke his fibula and tibia. Once he was stable yesterday morning, they did the external fixation, with rods and pins outside his legs. He will need to have a second surgery to put permanent parts in. Doctors said he will most likely be in the ICU for the next day or two."

Could have changed the wheels after the photo.
Brake calipers are the same color and the decals are the same too.

Prayers he has a full recovery.

Indeed

@ClickClickBoom lives in Boulder Creek (same area as the accident location). I wonder if he has heard anything about this.

[QUOTE=GothingNC;11131979]Could have changed the wheels after the photo.
Brake calipers are the same color and the decals are the same too.

As well as all the stickers on the side windows

yes

I have to assume he was not wearing a shoulder belt or no seatbelt at all.

Are these group drives usually done at a leisurely pace or is there pressure to keep up with the buddies and not fall behind ?

Given the differences between drivers and cars, the latter's not going to work.

Yellow calipers, too

Good points, kach.

Even in NorCal, we do reach freezing temps overnight.

Nice looking car. Hope the driver makes out ok.

I looked and '74 and up 911s had shoulder belts. This car appears to be a long hood, so I hope this gentleman had them.

+1 on summer tires sucking in cold weather. I bought a used daily driver (non-Porsche) a few years ago that must have come from out of region because unbeknownst to me, it had summer tires. (Also had warm weather windshield washer fluid, boy was that annoying). I got to know how poorly they are in cold weather the first time it snowed ...

I had some Hankook Extreem Sumer tires on a car once. It was like driving on ice below 45 degrees for the first mile or so. They would warm up and be ok.
I had to take them off. Track only tires IMO.

It seems the driver will survive from the Facebook updates.Good news.

The car is toast. Looks like it bounced off the bridge first then into oncoming traffic.


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This is a 74 or later car. You can see the larger impact bumpers in the rear as well as the front,though its pushed down below the bumper of the truck. The bumper end bellows are clearly visible at the lower edge of the front fender.

I am assuming the driver was belted in, and with factory belts, that would be 3 point with shoulder harness.

The missing windshield does not imply ejection to me. These windshields are just held in place with a rubber gasket, so could easily pop out in a front end impact, especially one of this severity, where the windshield frame has twisted like this one. Modern cars have the windshield bonded in to support the deployment of the airbags, so you dont see them loose the windshield in a crash.

We’ve had a mild fall in the metro NY region but this thread convinced me to put my cold weather tires onto the Cayman R today.

As someone who has had external fixation to repair a shattered radius, its not run at all, fib / tib would really suck. Hes lucky to be alive though, both vehicles must have been heavy on the brakes to keep that 1500 off the roof of the 911.

Hope he heals up OK, cars can be built and rebuilt but people, far less so.

Wheels turned to the left. Counter steering ?