3.6 Conv questions - again

[surflvr911sc]

I should be coming home in about a week and I can’t stop thinking about my car. I’m planning for a 3.6 conv and am trying to come up with game plan of all the things I need and the way I want to go with it. This leads me to a few questions. This is a street car that would like to occasionally see a track/autox.

Oil cooling-
I really want to keep the car looking original. If I can get away with it, I want to use an oil cooler in both front fenders. I read Thom’s write up on the Mocal in the left fender and that he was not happy with the cooling until he went with the front cooler. I was thinking about two Carrera coolers w/ fans. I could use the mounting kit from the left to duplicate the parts, opposite, to fit the right. Has anyone tried this and is there anything I’m missing? Didn’t Jack have two fender coolers on BBI?

Exhaust-
I’m really concerned w/ getting it to pass the referee for smog. I have been leaning towards biting the bullet and going with the GHL /w cats system. Does anyone have any experience with these or again, is there anything I’m missing?

Starter-
Which one do I need?

Check engine light-
Has anyone sorted this out yet- MikeZ? Is it just a matter of running the connection from the DME to a light on the dash or is there more to it?

I know after I get home and start doing some legwork I’ll have more questions. I think we should get in Big Bear Run III before I drop the 3.0 though. Thanks guys and I hope to see you soon!

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by surflvr911sc
I should be coming home in about a week and I can’t stop thinking about my car. I’m planning for a 3.6 conv and am trying to come up with game plan of all the things I need and the way I want to go with it. This leads me to a few questions. This is a street car that would like to occasionally see a track/autox.

Oil cooling-
I really want to keep the car looking original. If I can get away with it, I want to use an oil cooler in both front fenders. I read Thom’s write up on the Mocal in the left fender and that he was not happy with the cooling until he went with the front cooler. I was thinking about two Carrera coolers w/ fans. I could use the mounting kit from the left to duplicate the parts, opposite, to fit the right. Has anyone tried this and is there anything I’m missing? Didn’t Jack have two fender coolers on BBI

Exhaust-
I’m really concerned w/ getting it to pass the referee for smog. I have been leaning towards biting the bullet and going with the GHL /w cats system. Does anyone have any experience with these or again, is there anything I’m missing?-

Nope not me.....

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Starter

Which one do I need? [/B][/QUOTE]

Stock one works....

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Check engine light-
Has anyone sorted this out yet- MikeZ? Is it just a matter of running the connection from the DME to a light on the dash or is there more to it? [/B][/QUOTE]

Doing net week....

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I know after I get home and start doing some legwork I’ll have more questions. I think we should get in Big Bear Run III before I drop the 3.0 though. Thanks guys and I hope to see you soon! [/B][/QUOTE]

Set a date!!!

[Moses]

You can still run a nose cooler and retain a "stock" look. Lemke makes a front cooler with a vented front valance that looks stock. There are also numerous aftermarket valences that will accomodate an oil cooler and allow you to retain your original bumper.

Me, I couldn't wait to get rid of my bumper accordions.

[Joeaksa]

Moses,

Tried to PM you but its disabled.

A couple of questions. Doing my 3.6 swap later this week.

Did you have much playing around with the 14 pin connection? Just match the colors? Mounting the new dual coils easy or hard?

The fuel line situation. I am not buying a kit from Timmins but got Bill Verburgs old motor. Does it take a new or special line or adapter to interface to the chassis? How about throttle cable? Did you use the Patrick or what?

Thanks,

Joe

[Kevin Stewart]

Joeaksa

go to 3.6 conversion parts 1 2 3etc by me you will find most of your answers, you will need a new fuel line, look at the post 3.6 conversion chassis, ill be finishing my car this week, if you dont have timmins instructions i suggest you get it, Kevin

[Moses]

What Kevin said.

Also, if you don't want to shell out $275 for the Patrick motorsports throttle cable, you can lengthen the fulcrum arm at the tranny about an inch and it will accomplish the same thing. Also, PMS sells harnesses for the conversion.

[Kevin Stewart]

Moses is the man, but patrick doesnt like to help, i would buy the harness from timmins and get his instructions and his help which has been unbelieveable, there are no simple answers here, Kevin

[Moses]

Originally posted by Kevin Stewart
i would buy the harness from timmins and get his instructions and his help which has been unbelieveable

I'll second that. Timmins has gone out of his way to get my project up and running. He even paid for half of a $1000 DME that my mechanic fried. He always responded to my e-mails promptly.

[Joeaksa]

Moses and Kevin,

Thanks for the info. I bought Bill Verburgs 3.6 motor which had already been in a SC and so did not need his conversion kit, so Timmins was not very helpful. Will not comment futher but the man has never heard of "Dale Carnagie" and "How to win friends and influence enemies" as far as I can tell...

Will look into the throttle linkage and the fuel line. Any idea what was different on the fuel line or where I can find the sizes?

Thx,

Joe

[Jack Olsen]

I currently have oil coolers in each fender. It works fine, so long as you make sure air is moving -- via aluminum or ABS ducting -- through the coolers.

[Kevin Stewart]

Joeaksa, has bill v told you what you need?, that is the catch here, my motor was put in a carrera i guess before i got it, which left things altered only for me to have to widdle through the sh?t to figure it out, Bill should have replaced his harness and dme with the 993 vario ram (ok i cant spell), I guess thats where your at you need to figure out what you need, do you have the fly wheels? etc, Bill should be able to tell you, there is no such thing as half a kit, been there done that, paul and others will pop up and tell you, you gotta have the chip,, if you dont have most or all the parts, just break down and save yourself time money and a hassle and buy the kit, if you want to list what parts you have we will go over it with you, sorry to hear you feel that way about timmins, he has so much knoledge on these conversions its crazy, when i was ready to buy a bunch of fittings to get my fuel line working he stepped up and had me go out to the car while i was talking to him and figure it out, what i have found just because you have a certain year doesnt mean you dont have different year parts on it from the factory, no two cars are the same so that means no two conversions are the same, research thats what you have to do and ask questions, Kevin

[k9handler]

great advice Kevin.
Work with Bill since he has the knowledge and history for the 3.6 you have, that's going to help out more than anything. I know that Harald ran into some wiring nightmares when he installed my 3.6 and I was lucky that Ingo was in the neighborhood to help out with the schematic and troubleshooting. I would never attempt this project...so I had a pro do it for me, that may be an option for you as well.
My .02 worth.

[Joeaksa]

Kevin and HD,

Bill has been great to work with and as usual a excellent source of information. That said, he did not do his first conversion nor his recent one. The first one was done 4-5 years ago by a couple of German mechanics who were freelancing and the current one by Timmins. Bill gave me some excellent pics but he did not help with the conversion so was not able to answer some of my tech questions.

I do have Bill's complete wiring harness, DME and ignition system and so on. The 14 pin plug on his 3.6 motor has not been changed from what it was on Bill's car, so I am hoping that the wires match. Will have to source a fuel line and I see that the throttle arm on the motor has been modified a bit so it may work. Other than that we are hoping for a easy install. The clutch was changed by Timmins for a new unit when he pulled it out and we are using Bill's old flywheel.

The guy who is helping me is a master machinist and has done handbuilt installations of car engines in several airplanes and I have worked on planes for 24 years, so one way or the other it will go in and work! I toyed with the idea of having someone do it but could not find anyone in Phoenix with the experience and was not excited to drive the car to the left coast.

One shop who had done a 3.6 swap before quoted me a weeks time and $2-2500 and I know it can be done quicker if you are good. My labor is cheap and would like to work with the swap and my friend works well for T-bones and whiskey along with a dead president or two along the way and would rather support a friend anyway!

Thx,

Joe

[surflvr911sc]

Mike, I look forward to hearing about you get the Check Engine light worked out. I’ll set a date for BBRIII in the next few weeks.

Also, if you don't want to shell out $275 for the Patrick motorsports throttle cable, you can lengthen the fulcrum arm at the tranny about an inch and it will accomplish the same thing. Also, PMS sells harnesses for the conversion.

This sounds like an easy fix but it seems like a lot of people have struggled with it. Lengthening the bell crank arm is the fix for the Timmons set up, right?

No words on the GHL /w cats system? PP says that they are CARB legal, but the GHL site says it’s pending. Anyone know what the deal is w/ CARB?

Jack, do you have any pics of your oil cooler ducting?

Thanks guys, I can’t wait to get back to the BBS more regularly.

[Kevin Stewart]

Joeaksa, you will need a 5 foot line to go from the left rear to the right side, i took my fuel accumulator off and went from the fuel filter to the engine, you will need a short hose for the return, I should be posting pictures etc later this week, also check my previuos post 3.6 conversion parts 123 motor etc, you will find most of the info you need, I have decided to lengthen the arm on the throttle cable, Kevin

[Joeaksa]

Kevin,

Thanks and any chance you would have the thread sizes needed on the couplings for the fuel line? Or.. are you buying one and if so where?

Ingo emailed me a very good description of how he mod'ed a 993/996 throttle cable to work with the conversion.

Thanks,

Joe

[Joeaksa]

Anyone know if the exhaust gaskets used on a 3.2 will work on a 3.6 motor? I have a brand new set with nuts that I was going to use on the new motor and just wondered if they are the same?

Since the SSI's will bolt up to the motor I am assuming that they will work but you know what happens when anyone assume's something...

TIA,

Joe

[Kevin Stewart]

Joeaksa you will need to run a line from where the fuel inters the engine compartment (left side)to the right side, you will need to check what fitting comes out of your engine and make a hose comming from the fuel filter, ill be posting on this real soon, Kevin

[Joeaksa]

Kevin,

Any idea on the exhaust gaskets?

Thanks for the other info, appreciate the help.

Joe

[Kevin Stewart]

Joeaksa the 3.6 uses a o ring crush gasket that i got right here at pelican, check my post 3.6 conversion, Kevin