More "made in china".......

[86 911 Targa]

https://rennlist.com/forums/911-forum/1025781-sc-fuel-pump-relay.html

[rwest]

I know, I did the same after a failure of a fairly new one. Bought a couple old German ones off of eBay.

I wonder if the company that makes solid state DME relays could make the round relays too- or are they two different animals?

[KNS]

It's been like that for a while, unfortunately. I purchased that same relay from the dealer about ten years ago thinking I'd get a German product. Made in China.

[86 911 Targa]

When I did my brakes about 2 years ago,
the brake pads were made in three different countries.

And, by the way during FY2008 Porsche was the most profitable car
company IN THE WORLD!!!!

Gerry

[86 911 Targa]

Originally Posted by rwest

I know, I did the same after a failure of a fairly new one. Bought a couple old German ones off of eBay.

I wonder if the company that makes solid state DME relays could make the round relays too- or are they two different animals?

Yes, they are two different animals.

The DME relay has two relays.

The round relays have only one.

The only difference between the red/black
round one is a squelching diode in the red relay.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS570US570&q=1986+porsche+red+relay&oq=1986+porsche+red+relay&gs_l=psy-ab.12...13047.13923.0.16675.4.4.0.0.0.0.469.832.1j 2j4-1.4.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.1.467...0i8i13i30k1.0.dgS6wYSsis8
^^^^^
Someone should contact these vendors for country of origin.
Even the $37 red relays sold by our host are made in China.....................

Both the DME & round relays are simplistic devices
which should last through thousands of cycles.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by 86 911 Targa

Yes, they are two different animals.

The DME relay has two relays.

The round relays have only one.

The only difference between the red/black
round one is a squelching diode in the red relay.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS570US570&q=1986+porsche+red+relay&oq=1986+porsche+red+relay&gs_l=psy-ab.12...13047.13923.0.16675.4.4.0.0.0.0.469.832.1j 2j4-1.4.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.1.467...0i8i13i30k1.0.dgS6wYSsis8
^^^^^
Someone should contact these vendors for country of origin.

Yes, but could the round ones be made solid state too? Not that they are failing as bad as the DMEs, but now with the China ones, they seem to fail frequently.

[schoward]

My spare in my glovebox is a German one off eBay. The extra made in China one in my parts cabinet rarely sees light of day.

[86 911 Targa]

Originally Posted by rwest

Yes, but could the round ones be made solid state too? Not that they are failing as bad as the DMEs, but now with the China ones, they seem to fail frequently.

I don't see why not.

Gerry

[Flojo]

iPhones... where are they made again?

China... hast som serious tech going on by now, most under influence/supervision from foreign enterprices... so if BOSCH decides those relays meet quality standards, I'd not care if they come from Tahiti.

If they fail, bad enough.
(we all know the silver coil issues from Brasil...)

[proporsche]

to 911..1986 targa..if you ever need an original relay i have plenty..

Ivan

[sc_rufctr]

What are the ones with the switch used for?

[proporsche]

Hi Peter..the right side is Porsche factory and the left i made for my self..It is for setting the idle ,bypassing idle control valve in the engine compartment on 1984-89 911...some people just use a piece of wire.
Also used on 924 and 944

Ivan
here

[Tremelune]

If one of my round relays ever goes, I'm gonna re-wire it to use a standard automotive relay that costs less than $5 and lasts forever...This seems to come up all the time, and it's a simple physical connection issue. If I were Classic Retrofit, I'd have replacement relay board ready to sell next to the fusebox...

[universeman]

I just ordered a bunch of old OEM Wehrle relays off eBay for $6 each. Got them in the mail yesterday, surprised at how heavy (read: well-made) they are! All tested OK.

Those of you looking for ways to reduce weight in your car would be well-served to look at the country of manufacture of your relays!

Pretty confident these old German relays are going to outperform the frustrating China crap that keeps going bad on my car.

[uwanna]

Originally Posted by Tremelune

If one of my round relays ever goes, I'm gonna re-wire it to use a standard automotive relay that costs less than $5 and lasts forever...This seems to come up all the time, and it's a simple physical connection issue. If I were Classic Retrofit, I'd have replacement relay board ready to sell next to the fusebox...

IMO, I think your solution is a bit of overkill. I've owned six early 911s
since 1970, and never had a relay go bad! I understand folks concern with Chinese made replacements, but the the German Werle relays
have served me well over 47 years. Just my $.02

[lvporschepilot]

I don't see the big deal as long as the factory in China is good. There is a large margin between good and 'bad' factories with the good ones undoubtedly being every bit as good if not far superior to anything produced in the EU whether it be Germany or Poland or Turkey. Understand every major auto manufacturer on the planet, from ferrari to Porsche to Aston, have some component or multiple components made in china. Magnetti Marelli actually have a factory in China where a majority of their suspension comments for, you guessed it, ferrari, are made. China have come a long way so let's get over it.

[wayner]

I agree

For the most part, the "manufacturer" that contracts with the factory sets the budget, and the factory delivers within that budget. The same factory could make really good stuff or complete crap depending on the budget they have had to design and spec to

In China, the answer to the question " can you make it cheaper" is always yes
That's the way china works

The question that some times is not asked is when a manufacturer gets a deal is "will it be the same quality?"

[uwanna]

Originally Posted by wayner

I agree

For the most part, the "manufacturer" that contracts with the factory sets the budget, and the factory delivers within that budget. The same factory could make really good stuff or complete crap depending on the budget they have had to design and spec to

In China, the answer to the question " can you make it cheaper" is always yes
That's the way china works

The question that some times is not asked is when a manufacturer gets a deal is "will it be the same quality?"

It seems that Apple and a lot of TV mfgrs do quite well with their Chinese parts. They just insist on quality controls, which I'm sure Ferrari does.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by uwanna

It seems that Apple and a lot of TV mfgrs do quite well with their Chinese parts. They just insist on quality controls, which I'm sure Ferrari does.

That's my point
Price is not the only thing to negotiate

[Canada Kev]

Or you could buy a whole car from there. Introducing the Chinese Macan knockoff, the Zotye SR9 SUV...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tychodefeijter/2016/12/15/how-a-chinese-automaker-can-clone-porsche-and-still-get-away-with-it/#1f782e626e2a