Another round of what's it worth...

ChrisL · 06-09-2003, 04:31 PM

Okay, I've got the 993 fever, bad. But, not being as flush as others here, I've got to sell my '86 Carrera first. So, what do you think it's worth?

Black on black partial leather (w/black headliner), 92k miles, excellent paint and interior. Wheels show some oxidation, could be refinished. Here are the options (from the window sticker):

Leather steering wheel with raised hub
Monterey digtl. cassette radio (still have the original radio, but there's a Blaupunkt am/fm/cd in there now)
Limited slip differential
Power door locks
15-inch Fuchs forged alloy wheels (7s and 8s) with relatively new P6000s, less than 8k miles
Power sear, right
Cruise control
Sport shock absorbers
Wheel cntr/white gold metallic
Alarm system
Electric sunroof

And here's a picture:

Thanks,

Chris.

fogcity · 06-09-2003, 05:01 PM

I don't know, Chris, you've driven it in the snow; I'll give $4500 for it (insert happy face here).

Seriously, looking at the local adds I see '79-'83s getting between 12-20k, 84-86s about the same plus a little, 87-89s even a little more. It seems that no matter what the year, any "perfect" 911 is listed for @20-27k

Bill Douglas · 06-09-2003, 05:05 PM

You could actually sell that beautiful thing...

jrdavid68 · 06-09-2003, 05:20 PM

I'd say $15,500 - $19,500 - just depends on how quickly you want to sell it.

sasaki · 06-09-2003, 06:17 PM

ChrisL-
You have the same fever as me but I'm in my quest for a 993 rs clubsport. Maybe I could buy a regular 993 and then do the mods myself. Sorry, can't help you on the pricing. If you let that car go for a reasonable price, I know of a buyer at the moment.

Tim
964C4

island911 · 06-09-2003, 06:28 PM

For what it's worth, there is an 81 EURO SC

on ebay @ over $18k ! . . with one day left to bid.

OF course it *is* an SC

. . .. but still; ebay, bad pict's and the unknown of the euro conversion! (?)

It seems the the 911 market maybe on the rebound.

LeeH · 06-09-2003, 07:03 PM

The general consensus seems to be $15-20K. That's a huge range! I'd sell my car in a second for $20K... For $15K I'll keep it!

Doug E · 06-09-2003, 07:08 PM

What's happening to our NoVa 911 gang ????? Pretty soon there will be as many 993's in the group as SC's/Carrera's.

I'm going to guess in the $15k to $20k range but all it takes is the right time for the right buyer and you could wind up with more then you were expecting.

Good luck.

VincentVega · 06-09-2003, 07:22 PM

I might be jumping ship too. I am trying to think if it makes sense to dump a lot of $$ into the SC or go for a newer, lower mile car. Tough choice.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

Is the consensus that a 993 would cost less in the long run? If you looked at the next 5 years with an SC that is well sorted v. a lower miles 993, things might not be too different. While it is a newer car, there is also more to go wrong, and it costs more to fix...at least that's what it seems like to me.

Doug E · 06-09-2003, 07:54 PM

CMartin now you too ???? At this rate pretty soon Marc and I will be the only ones left.

I can't help but wonder the same thing that Nostatic asks. It will be interesting to see what time yields.

VincentVega · 06-09-2003, 08:45 PM

Good points, things I've been thinking about for some time now. I just have a feeling it might be time to move on. Depreciation is still a factor with the newer cars, not so much with the SC anymore. Seeing all the Boxsters so cheap and being that it's summer, finally, has me wanted a convertible again. That and the girlfriend planted the seed for me to get a newer car.

I think it's either a Boxster or a 964 targa, at least that's what I'm thinking this week.

I've spent a lot of time/money on the SC, and honestly I dont see an end in sight. I guess I am like most of you guys, there is always something to upgrade/fix/tinker with. Sometime I wonder why I didnt get into gardening?

Just kidding.

jazzbass · 06-09-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Chris Martin

I've spent a lot of time/money on the SC, and honestly I dont see an end in sight. I guess I am like most of you guys, there is always something to upgrade/fix/tinker with.

And thats not going to change if you get a 964 or a 986

. Its just that things cost more for those cars.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

there are plenty of reasons to get a newer 911. More power, more amenities, better hvac, and if you go new enough, a warranty.

But there is no free lunch. You also get depreciation and a more complicated car. So if you've got an SC that is well sorted and won't need a new engine or tranny, I figure you're looking at around $2K a year in maintenance and fixing the little things that wear out (more or less depending on how much you diy). After 5 years that's $10K spent. If you go to sell it will likely be worth about the same amount of money...maybe lose a few $K.

So instead you sell the SC (say you get $15K), and buy a 993 (say $35K). You get the "nicer" car, and are out $20K. Over the next 5 years you are still going to spend money to fix it, and the upgrade bug will not likely go away. If you assume $1K/year, at the end of 5 years you're out $25K. And if you go to sell, odds are it won't be worth $35K anymore.

So I don't think the move to a newer car is a money saver unless you are looking at imminent major work on the present older car. Of course the other reasons (faster, nicer, etc) are valid, and it just depends on what floats your boat.

Wayne 962 · Wayne 962's Garage

Okay, I'll bite, and go item by item.

The dark color is good, so is the dark interior. The LSD is good, but will be discounted if sold with the car - you'll get more $$$ if you take it out and sell it separately. No tail will appeal to more buyers. 1986 is a bit of a tough year, because it's the last of the 915s. There is a big perception in quality difference between the 86s and the 87s - almost too much. An '87 will be worth anywhere from $2K to $4K more based upon this perceived improvement. Granted, the G50 is an improvement, but worth $4K more? Probably not.

Don't use that pic of the car in the snow - you will be competing against SoCal cars which never see that white stuff. Valuation is probably $15K-$20K depending upon the actual condition. With these cars, little things seem to sometimes make a big difference. A scratched seat, rough carpet, a few chips on the front bonnet, makes the difference between the $15K car and the $20K car.

Again, just my opinion.

-Wayne

Sonic dB · Sonic dB's Garage

Quote:

An '87 will be worth anywhere from $2K to $4K more based upon this perceived improvement. Granted, the G50 is an improvement, but worth $4K more? Probably not.

Agreed...but this perception helped me get a fantastic deal on my 86! I actually enjoy the 915 cause it makes me work and I can feel everything.

(knock on wood and pray for no rebuilds in the near future)

ChrisL · 06-10-2003, 03:50 AM

Good insights everyone -- thanks. Todd, to be out $25k, your math assumes that after 5 years the 993 is worth $15k, or that it's depreciation continues at $4k per year. Looking at BA's price trends, 993s held amazingly stable through 2001, then plummeted in 2002. Time will tell where they land. SCs and 3.2s have taken a hit, but nowhere near as large. No question that someday I'd like a 993, just a matter of when (now or five years from now).

One of my reasons to switch is that I find myself not driving the 911 everyday. I've got a Saab convert. and since I've only got a two-car garage, it sits outside (the obligatory minivan shares the inside spots with the 911). My rationalization is that if I sell both and have a 993 as my daily driver, then it will get used and enjoyed. I briefly entertained the notion of a tip so my wife could drive it, but a private consultation with Richard set me straight!

Whether a 993 is DIY-able is a good question. As usual, it depends on what breaks. If it's mechanical, probably pretty easy to diagnose and repair. If it's something electronic, could be a different story, again, time will tell. I love working on the 3.2. I am confident that with the knowledge on this board, I can tackle anything. Not so sure about a 993. But then again, I don't study 993 post like I do the ones on earlier cars.

Thanks again,

Chris.

Jim Richards · 06-10-2003, 04:34 AM

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quote from nostatic
While it is a newer car, there is also more to go wrong, and it costs more to fix...at least that's what it seems like to me.

Aah yes, that's true but, we (the NoVA gang) are going to get our feet wet on some serious DiY on these things in the coming years. I for one am planning on dropping the engine for a flywheel/clutch R&R later this summer, assuming my wallet recovers from the projects on the 73E.