Static Underbelly A/C Condenser v. Front Left Fender A/C Condenser - Page 2

plain fan · 06-27-2003, 07:05 AM

According to my owners manual for a 78SC if the car is factory equipped with A/C then only air conditioned air is blown through the center and side vents. So if his is factory blocking off the distribution to the side vents would increase the amount of air through the center vent.

E Ray · 06-27-2003, 10:08 AM

I have been contimplating this upgrade for a while so a few questions.
Does anyone have a picture of this 964/993 condenser? Would it fit in the rear fenderwell like the Griffiths unit, anyone found a universal parrallel flow condenser that will fit in the rear fender? Anyone used the Griffiths unit? Who else sells the underbelly static condenser besides Performance Aire?

Thanks

Eric

RickM · RickM's Garage

This may help.

www.ACKits.com Parallel flow sizes and prices.

Condenser (14 X 22.5)
Item # 12-0437C $ 81.40 plus freight.

Condenser (14 X 26.5)
Item # 12-0438C $ 82.05 plus freight.

Condenser (12 X 22.5)
Item # 12-0439C $ 71.60 plus freight.

Condenser (12 X 26.5)
Item # 12-0440C $ 75.41 plus freight.

Condenser (19 X 30.5)
Item # 12-0511A $ 139.31 plus freight.

Condenser (14 X 20.5)
Item # 12-0544C $ 85.47 plus freight.

Condenser (15.5 X 31.5)
Item # 12-0568A $ 99.90 plus freight.

Condenser (10.5 X 27.5)
Item # 12-0632A $ 89.91 plus freight.

Condenser (14 X 19.5)
Item # 2046AE $ 69.93 plus freight.

plain fan · 06-27-2003, 10:52 AM

The 964/993 units sits in the front, drivers side fender. You can't see it because it is protected by a plastic cover. From memory I want to say it is slightly bigger than an average sized laptop of course it is thicker.

I've got a schematic of it, but it is a thumbnail size. I'll try to get the larger version and post it.

I have a problem with placing another condensor in the drivers side rear fender area. For one, I can feel the heat coming off my catalytic converter several feet away from the car. Putting something that is designed to cool liquid in a place like that seems a little foolish to me. When the vehicle is moving the air movement may be fine, but when the car is standing still...

plain fan · 06-27-2003, 11:01 AM

Here are the pics...

plain fan · 06-27-2003, 11:22 AM

Well, I went and did a rough measurement of the inner driver fender area where the condensor would be mounted. Rough width would be about 9 inches with a rough length of around 15 inches. The condensors shown above would be to large to fit.

Of course this is just a rough estimate of the space and I haven't looked to see if the site sells smaller ones.

masraum · 06-27-2003, 11:41 AM

The kit that Griffiths sells puts the 964 style condenser in the driver's side rear wheel well behind the tire.

And yes, If I am in my car and I close both passenger's side vents the air comes out more forcefully on the driver's side which results in much better cooling.

RickM · RickM's Garage

The sizes shown above are the only sizes available from ACKits. It appears that they are the typical configurations available as a universal part.

RickM · RickM's Garage

You know what's killing me?

I'm in the process of selling a '98 Ford Taurus (not mine)...this car has the coldest freakin A/C. To the point that I have to turn it off when on standard mode (not Max AC) and it's in the 90s and humid here.

Stupid Question: Can't I rip an AC system out of a junked Ford, get new hoses and fit it up to the 911? Or better yet, what makes the Ford system so much better?

911nut · 911nut's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by RickM
what makes the Ford system so much better?

American engineering and manufacturing, of course!

plain fan · 06-27-2003, 06:00 PM

Uh, when Porsche decided that it needed good a/c in the 911 we got it; it just doesn't help the thousands of 911s produced before the 964.
For one thing the older cars use a poor system of pulling in air to extract heat from. The older the car the poorer the seals. In my 78 it is actually pulling in some hot air from the hood area simply because the original equipment has deteriorated to a point where it no longer circulates only cabin air. After being cooled it has to go through a poor ventilation system not designed to our current standards. If you look at the HVAC system for the 964/993 the evaporators are directly behind the dash area. The whole system is enclosed and is a very modern design compared to the aftermarket system Porsche chose to put in as factory air.

ruf-porsche · ruf-porsche's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by RickM
You know what's killing me?

I'm in the process of selling a '98 Ford Taurus (not mine)...this car has the coldest freakin A/C. To the point that I have to turn it off when on standard mode (not Max AC) and it's in the 90s and humid here.

Stupid Question: Can't I rip an AC system out of a junked Ford, get new hoses and fit it up to the 911? Or better yet, what makes the Ford system so much better?

If you compare a 1985 Ford pinto a/c with a 1985 Porsche a/c they about the same, and if you compare a 1998 Ford Taurus with a 1998 Porsche 911 a/c they about the same, however I think I will take the Porsche anytime over a Fix Or Repair Daily
(F.O.R.D)

911nut · 911nut's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by ruf-porsche
If you compare a 1985 Ford pinto a/c with a 1985 Porsche a/c they about the same, and if you compare a 1998 Ford Taurus with a 1998 Porsche 911 a/c they about the same, however I think I will take the Porsche anytime over a Fix Or Repair Daily
(F.O.R.D)

American cars have always had better A/C than European cars. If you've ever been to Germany it's so cool over there in the summer they don't even have screens on the windows of the houses. Why? It hardly ever gets hot enough to open the windows. Consequently, Germans never cared about good A/C in their cars because if it ain't required in Germany, then no one needs it. This was the German attitude prior to the early '90's.

Ruf, I challenge you to find one Pinto with A/C. Those were basic transportation cars and those who bought then couldn't afford such luxuries.

I own two Fords and when they left the dealer they never had to go back for anything.

Funny that a guy who owns Lotus' (if a Lotus runs for a week straight it's considered a keeper) is flaming Fords for reliability.

ruf-porsche · ruf-porsche's Garage

The Lotus 52 has an English Ford Cortina block in it. Fix Or Reapir Daily was coin by someone else long before I started playing with cars.

The last Pinto that I saw was on the Autobahn in Germany doing 50 mph in the right hand lane while everyone else was in the left hand fast lane. I thought that he was going to get rear ended and explode. This was back in1985. Are there any Pinto left in this world?

911nut if you like American cars so much why are you driving a PORSCHE?

There are plenty of American two seaters, Corvette, New Ford T-bird, Viper, Prowlers................just curious