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About the evacuation part of the process, Porsche manual says at least half hour, which is on par with other systems ... of course with an industrial machine, a Robinair of that era for R12. I'm guessing modern systems are equivalent or likely better. I would think how good a vacuum you end up with is more a matter of how much negative pressure your machine can generate rather than how long it is left on beyond an initial drawdown. Second, our OP's system is new so there shouldn't be much leftover moisture in there. Would be great if our pro can chime in. Quote:
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The Porsche manual was for the line mechanic and what he would get paid to do, on a 100% stock system. Add in a bigger front condenser, improved evaporator, two new condensers that were not in the original car, and lots more hose and you can understand the issue.
And a brand new system is open to the atmosphere during installation. Unless he lives is death valley with single digit humidity, air and thus air moisture got in to every component. That is why every competent pro suggests replacing the receiver-dryer if the system is opened to atmosphere. I put my Griffith's system in 18 years ago back before smart phones. I have some photos of the installation, but they are buried on a backup somewhere. Also, I upgraded to the hurricane blower later, and I added his variable speed control and temp control at a later date. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1743109487.jpg This is a photo of what NOT to do. The giant nut on the return to the compressor is super easy to over torque. Using a large wrench to tighten that 27mm nut (I think) is very easy to snug it down just a bit too much. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1743110001.jpg Here is a photo of the engine just after a new alternator, and fresh ceracoated fan and housing. It was my most recent project on my 911. |
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Then do a Refrigerant or Nitrogen purge while under vacuum, repeat. Then pull vacuum for 2 hours, check after 15 minutes - if dropping, fix leaks, repeat. Then charge. Quote:
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1743129514.JPG This is a shot from replacing the shifter bushings, and repairing the leather gator which required removing the original shift knob, and I had to destroy that knob. You can see Griffith's controller in the passenger footwell. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1743129700.JPG Getting the switches back in place is no fun either. This was before the new push on connectors went on. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1743129951.jpg This shows the knee vents on one side. I was working on the instruments, and removing the steering wheel is super easy. |
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I have no clue on how other installations differ. Way back in 2006 I started asking around, fellow PCA members, and doing some online research. Part of that is what brought me to Pelican.
I heard time and again, Griffith's is not the cheapest, but it is hard to believe anything would be higher quality. I suspect ccallana would agree, as each component is unboxed and examined, the thoughts of dang, that is nice engineering and quality. And the instructions are super clear, and over and over you will think, man he sure thought the installation out, and that is clever! Charlie is wonderful tech support with a phone call or email. Bottom line for me was wanting AC that just simply worked. In August, in Savannah, GA my wife said she was cold, and wanted me to turn the temp up! I almost got out and did a happy dance around the 911. The heat index hit 135 one day that week, and was way into triple digits every day. If someone living in an area with mid summers, it might be overkill. The factory system when working at peak performance is fine at night, or in the rain. It is useless on a hot day in full sun. I was sick of shameful AC performance, and my wife would not ride with me until something was done. She suggested I (gasp) sell my 911, and get a new or newer Porsche. Not gonna happen. After 30 years of ownership, I love it even more. |
Absolutely the highest quality stuff and the best packaging I have ever seen. Solid boxes, stapled and taped. (As a side note, FCP Euro has the worst packaging I have ever seen .. 4 times now I have ordered oil from them, Motul in 2L cans... All three times the cans have come dented and smashed. )
I live in Sacramento... Not quite Phoenix weather, but long stretches of really hot days .. like Glen, I wanted something that just works .. I considered the Classic Retro electric system, but besides the significant extra cost, it seemed like it doesn't work quite as well as Griffiths... At least by the anecdotal evidence I found. My wife doesn't entirely enjoy riding around in the 911 as it is, so one less excuse is a really good thing. :) |
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Did a vacuum check at home with a rented pump from the parts store - seemed to be holding, so booked an appt with an A/C shop -
bummer part was of course this week is not that warm - in fact drove it there in the rain yesterday - He did an N2 pressure check, found a couple messed up o-rings - but after fixing those, held 200 PSI for over an hour. Did 2 hour long vacuum checks.. charged it up... and its blowing cold... Air temp is only 60 though... he asked me to come back when the weather is warmer, and he'll recheck everything, see if anything needs to be tweaked... it blew pretty cold coming home - but not really fair given it isn't warm outside...we'll see in a few weeks! |
That should be a good enough purge and vacuum to get you good performance.
One recent mission to the moon by India is finding more ice on the moon that expected. The vacuum in space is way better of a vacuum than you can get with any equipment on a car. Yet there is ice that is on the moon in a virtual perfect vacuum that has been there for unknown millions of years. As I have mention before, it is physically impossible to get to good of a vacuum in your AC system. Less is better. |
fwiw i was able to get the strap around the washer fluid reservoir back in using tie-wraps to pull the sides together and an awl to keep the backplate oriented properly so I could get the screw started. It is a real PITA.
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The easy way I’d buy a longer bolt! |
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Yup - exactly :) I should just take the thing out and just use the "intensive" washer... save space, weight, hassle..... |
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