Was he just being nice? (3.6 SC vs. M3)

[350HP930]

M3s don't worry me that much . . .

[stuartj]

"WRX is a nice car but just barely in the same ball game as a decent, 25 year old 911 IMO. "

As a former frequent tracker of MY98 WRX, and currently having the heavier and slower MY02 WRX in the family, all I can think is that you guys must get slow Rexs or fast old Porsches in the States.

Running often against DDR's well piloted 964 C4, we found the two cars to be very similar in their performance envelope, including on the track, standing quarter (13.6) and various motorkhana events. The 911 would have a top speed advantage-was clocked at 217kmh (135) in a bog standard dard WRX on Ford's proving bowl in an event. I think it had a whisker more in it.

Its taken me two years, a lot of suspension sorting, trick tyres and many laps to get my 87 Carrera to anywhere near my WRX lap times.

Dont advise you take one on in the rain.

stuart 87 carrera

[Embs]

rdane you must have the badest 79 coupe on the planet because if you smoked a WRX it's because he let you..period.
These little turbo ricers are bad a$$ cars that can be made very fast for cheaper than a 911.

I have an MPEG of my 3.8 just sitting and idling through dual flowmasters, and you can tell that it means business. I can't post the MPEG because I don't have any server space but I can email it to you if you can handle a 5.24 MB email.

[3.6 911]

I don't know about the new m3's but a buddy of mine has a 2000 and I can abuse him with my 3.6 sc at will.

[rdane]

"if you smoked a WRX it's because he let you..period."

ROTFLMAO

Pretty much my reaction when the guy goosed it on the freeway too....but I was driving so I had to do the mental version of ROTFLMAO I am sure when the WRX blew by me as I exited the freeway he was thinking he had a bad ass WRX too.

Maybe his turbo hadn't kicked in, maybe the girlfriend/wife added too much weight, maybe it was a mistake trying to play tag with well sorted out 25 year old, 3.0 911 @ 60 mph.

It all could have been a dream, even the Vette tagging along behind @ 130 could have been a dream. Happens as you get older, trying to figire out which one is reality and which one is fantasy.

Maybe @ 100+ the Vette and WRX felt a little iffy or their radar detectors sucked, don't know. The Targa running with the Vette didn't seem to have the same problem. May be it is the fact that Porsche drivers just peddle faster.......you think?

Thanks for the laugh this morning, either way.

I have an MPEG of my 3.8 just sitting and idling through dual flowmasters, and you can tell that it means business.

I am still thinking a tune up is in order if you are getting spanked by M3s and a lowly 250 hp WRX. Flowmasters do sound good though.

[Moses]

I just talked to my friend with the M3 this morning. He told me he was pushing as hard as he could.

When I shifted from second to third, he surged ahead by three car lengths and he thought he would spank me. My third gear ate him up.

He was so impressed with the little SC he wants to drive it.

[Embs]

Originally posted by rdane
"if you smoked a WRX it's because he let you..period."

ROTFLMAO

Dude I am not trying to pi$$ on your daydream but I have a high HP N/A 911 that weighs around 2600 lbs. that can destroy a stock 3.0 (in a straight line) So I know that there is no way a stock 3.0 SC can even touch a WRX Sti unless the driver really sucked or he was trying to make you feel good (which I doubt).

Sorry my friend EARTH is down here, please join us!!

[Embs]

I have also recently been SPANKED by a new Mustang Cobra. I think this was the worst beating I had taken in an unofficial street race. 0-60 he left me, 0-100 he embarrassed me. These cars are 4.6L - 390 HP rockets, they are just about as fast as a new ZO6.

[rdane]

Embs, where did I say it was a 400 HP STI WRX? Give me a break. I would tend to believe it was a standard WRX. BTW my SC was 2225# a couple of weeks ago and it aint stock.

I have a high HP N/A 911 that weighs around 2600 lbs. that can destroy a stock 3.0

I see the problem, first you need a diet and then you need a tune up

"When I shifted from second to third, he surged ahead by three car lengths and he thought he would spank me. My third gear ate him up.

All is not lost, thanks Moses! I was beginning to think that my 12K going into a 3.6 was a waste of money

[1fastredsc]

Most m3's are in the operating weight range of about 3600lbs. What makes them give such impressive accel #'s are the fact that there torque curves are scary flat. Plus having a 9k redline sort of helps as well. wrx's can put out very high power #'s with little work done to them. It wouldn't surprise me if a random wrx found on the street is at least chipped much less more radicals. Having said that, a 300hp 3.6 in a 2500lb car should be one sick pull when you get on it.

[wrx paul]

I have an 02 wrx and it's pretty fast. Especially with the r compounds on it. BUT after I dropped the 3.0 in my 77 coupe I don't think the rex can catch it. I have yet to see what my g-tech says for numbers as the car is still waiting on me to put the new oil cooler in, but it sure feels quicker than my rex ever did. I'll let you guys know what happens when I'm back on the road. So far my best time with the rex is a 14.2 on normal tires. I guess I have to run again with the R compounds and see what comes up.

[Superman]

Moses, you beat him fair and square. Don't act so surprised. You've got nearly 300 hp in a 2500-lb car. 333 hp in a 3400-lb car is NOT going to beat you.

Embs, not trying to rain on your parade, but it sounds like your car is not running like it should.

The rest of you, quit deifying the WRX. Perhaps the STi is a special car, but golly, the Subaru WRX, according to my understanding has about 225 hp (on boost). That's about ten percent more ponies than I probably have. How much do they weigh? If they are in the 300-lb neighborhood, I'd expect a pretty fair fight between them and my car in terms of acceleration. And like I said in another thread, a WRX (admittedly, probably not a special STi one) embarrassed itself at a recent Bremerton autocross. Its suspension was unsuitably soft. Fairly slow times. You could tell by watching that the vehicle was not capable of quick turns.

I'm not in denial. These new cars are fast, and some of them will blister my butt good. But let's be real. A plain WRX is about a match for a healthy SC. A plain Mustang is lunch. A built Mustang is trouble. Some of those Hondas out there are vicious, don't even try.

A light 911 with 3.6 or 3.8 is going to beat everything except exotics and built cars. Stock Subarus should bow their heads as you pass. Don't know much about M3s, so no comment except what's in the first paragraph.

[Embs]

Originally posted by rdane
I see the problem, first you need a diet and then you need a tune up

Say what you want bro, most punks don't keep my attention this long. There are two ways to generate HP and go fast: big displacement or forced induction OR both. The more air you pump via NA or forced the more HP you generate. IF you can get that HP to the ground you go fast.

[JonT]

Embs--if your car does low 4's 0-60 you should have beaten or at least tied with the Cobra or Z06 for that matter just based on C/D and R/T testing. And 60 to 100 should not have been an embarrassment--what gives? Your hp/lb should be right in the same range as these guys--no?

[1fastredsc]

Actually it's on how much cfm your motor is sucking in which in proportion will dump more fuel for it. Therefore High revs also generate more hp. And if you wanna get technical, temp and air density also make a big difference.

[cowtown]

Originally posted by 1fastredsc
It wouldn't surprise me if a random wrx found on the street is at least chipped much less more radicals. Having said that, a 300hp 3.6 in a 2500lb car should be one sick pull when you get on it.

This is a good point. Its so easy to turn the boost up on these cars that there's a high probability that the one you meet will be faster than stock. When you see a Mustang/Camaro/other Porsche on the street, you usually know what you're in for. With a WRX, there's no way of knowing.

[rdane]

most punks don't keep my attention this long.

Hey my SC doesn't weigh 2600#s, yours does. Name calling now? What, road rage next? If I had my ass whipped on by the local Subaru crowd I would do the honorable thing.

I'd sell you my 3.6

[Embs]

Originally posted by JonT
Embs--if your car does low 4's 0-60 you should have beaten or at least tied with the Cobra or Z06 for that matter just based on C/D and R/T testing. And 60 to 100 should not have been an embarrassment--what gives? Your hp/lb should be right in the same range as these guys--no?

Well John I guess that I just suck, my car must be an overweight POS, I can't drive, I can't shift, I must lie horribly, OR could it be that I have faced reality (unlike some other BBS members) and realized that their are faster cars than 911's but none that I like better.

[scca_ita]

Just remember - HP wins headlines, Torque wins races............

[1fastredsc]

There are faster cars yes, but what they're trying to get through to you is there must be something wrong. You've got a good ideal PW ratio and should be faster, that's all. The cobra R i can vouch for and say is very fast, because my friend was stupid enough to race one in his NA 944 and that was the biggest emabarrisment he'd ever gotten aside from my old 951. A 3.8 you said right, well that should be good for like 280hp on the very low side of the spectrum. And with 2600 lbs, you may not have the PW ratio of Moses, but you should have stayed on the bumper of the cobra. The cobra R is a different story.