930S with embossed crest--anyone know?
 

I'm pretty sure I've seen a picture of the 930S steering wheel with an embossed Porsche crest on the horn pad. It may have been on one of those "special wishes" cars in an old Excellence or something...

Does anyone know a) where to get a 930S horn pad like that, or b) where to get the plain leather on my current one embossed?

John
There's one pictured here on this thread. It looks like pelican's got them.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/132843-hello-all-new-forum.html

Looks like a badge that's screwed in or glued.

The embossed pad looks like an older factory wheel.

The colored crest on the 930S wheel in that thread is a stick-on piece.

Actually, the stock wheel (Rob's "old" wheel) pictured in that thread has the embossed crest I want for my 930S wheel.

Jon,

The factory did custom embossing on different parts of the car such as the headrests. I can't recall seeing a embossed horn pad.

The hunt continues.

Would you consider a custom embroidered pad instead? Perhaps in black thread?

Jon,

I believe www.ajusa.com sells seperately both the 930S steering wheel and crest. You can sometimes find them on Ebay. Pelican may carry the crest as well.

Shawn

Jon,

I could swear that several years ago when AJ USA began selling their repro "930S" wheels that they all came embossed with the crest, and that the cloisonne item (356 hood crest?) was a separate extra cost option. Sometime later (and long before Wayne began carrying what he once referred to as the "strangely popular" 930S wheel at Pelican) the embossing vanished and the hornpad was only available plain, as I recall. Could have coincided with the time that Porsche got serious with trademark protection...

Porsche did produce a similar (and more attractive, IMO) wheel for the 968 CS that had one piece leather construction and an embossed horn pad:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1067008420.jpg

I thinks its still available from Porsche, but you would certainly have to purchase the entire wheel, not just the embossed horn pad, which then may or may not be compatible with the repro 930S wheel.

Good luck,
Tim

Thanks for the info, Tim. :)

It turns out the 968 ClubSport steering wheel horn button is listed with it's own part number: 96834705900. According to the parts manual, 8YR is the suffix for black. Pelican lists it for a mere $56.09 here.

I would like to verify that it has the crest, but if so I'm all over it!

How much would the full steering wheel run? I was looking for the same wheel without that accordian thingie for my 911. I ordered a RUF wheel and sent it back due to the accordian thing as well.

Doesn't anyone make a 930S type wheel, with the embossed crest in black that is a full wheel that fits a 911 without that horrid accordian adapter?


-Jeff
nolift911@hotmail.com

sweeeet.
Jon- make sure you post if you find out the deal here & if it fits the 930s wheel. I don't own enough gold jewelry to complement my tacky gold crest.

Well, Pelican didn't know anything about it, so I decided to risk $56 in the interest of educating the community. :D

Even if it doesn't fit exactly, if it's black and has the crest I can use the leather to re-do my horn pad.

Wow, thanks for stepping up to the plate on this RallyJon. I'll be buying one along with the 930S wheel, if the horn pad looks like the one in the picture Tim supplied...and it fits the 930S wheel. Let us know what happens. Thanks!

Jon,

Can't the two horn pad be compared? They look very similar.

Looks pretty damn close to me. The big question is whether that part number is actually the black 968 CS pad as shown in the picture above. Did Porsche even sell the 968 CS in the U.S.?

http://www.rallystuff.com/images/pcar_930swheel1.jpg

"I could swear that several years ago when AJ USA began selling their repro "930S" wheels that they all came embossed with the crest..."

PAG protecting its IP might have something to do w/it, but the OEM place that makes these wheels varies them periodically for some reason. I think that's the diff. btween the plain pad/add on crest and builtin crests -- also stitching varies a bit here and there.

Now -- how about some way to get rid of that ugly accordian thing -- or least make it play a worthwhile tune?

I bought my wheel from AJ when it first came out and I ended up with the "beautiful" gold crest. I don't recal if the embossing was available at the time.

If Pelican has the 930s wheel in stock and the embossed horn pad then can they check it for compatibility?

The 968 CS horn pad is special order only, non-returnable, and definitely not stocked by Pelican.

I would pay handsomely for a 930S wheel without the accordian dealio...that fits my 84 Carrera. Does anyone know what a real 930S wheel looks like on a 911? Anywhere these are still available?

-Jeff
nolift911@hotmail.com

So, is someone ordering one of these to find out??

This is highly cool...

Chuck

Count me in too!

I'm getting ready to order another 930S wheel (I let my other one go with my SC), but I was going to go with the silver/platinum crest, as opposed to the gold crest.

I saw the embossed wheel on a 968 pictured in Excellence, and thought the same thing. The wheel looks suspiciously similar to the 930s, and if you could get the 930s wheel, and order that embossed pad separately (if it fits of course), that would be the mac daddy of wheels, 'cause it would be "factory"!!!

If someone is doing a buy I would be interested too

As Jon noted above, it appears he is going to valiantly toss 56 bucks to the wind and order the 968 CS center horn pad to see (1) if it comes with the embossed crest and (2) whether it will fit the repro 930S wheel.

The factory part number for the entire 968 CS wheel assembly is 968-347-084-00-8YR, and is also available and can be ordered through Pelican, or directly from other (discounting) Porsche dealers. It appears that it comes with a hub, which would be non-compatible with various 911 shafts, but could be removed and replaced, I would guess. I'm not a particular fan of either of the wheels, but the 968 piece does have the advantage of being factory and also of having much cleaner one piece leather construction instead of the multi-piece glued construction of the repro 930S wheel.

BTW, does anyone have a picture of a real 930S wheel, in a 930S, that looks anything like the repro item? The only factory ones that I ever recall seeing were the thinner spoked versions such as this that came stock on several oddball factory specials in the mid '80's:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1067315317.jpg

In any event, good luck, Jon. I hope the horn pads are interchangeable for you.:cool:

Tim

Hey! those are my girl's legs!:mad: ;)
This wheel on the picture is the one that was put on the very few first 930Ss flat nose.
The one we all know and Wayne sells is the later, better known and more common version. And it was available for the 930 and the 968. I *think* the hub was always the concertina thingie.

I did a little research on these steering wheels, and found this quote on a 944S2 owners web site:

"The only difference between this wheel (968cs) and the one used on the 930 is the crest on the horn pad. The 930 wheel has a cloisonné crest and the CS wheel has an embossed crest".

I've also seen 968cs and 930s used interchangably, and it seems 944 owners have installed the 930s reproduction wheel in their cars, so it seems these two wheels are the same.

My only concern would be the signal canceling mechanism, but in the few pictures I've seen of the 968, the wiper and signal switches look suspiciously similar to those in my Targa.

Hmmmm................

George,

I thought you might recognize that photo...:)

So is the "later" factory 930S wheel you describe the same as the 968CS wheel? (even though it has a later 968 part number, instead of an earlier 911 or 930 part number?)

The only reason that I ask is that I've never seen the "later" version in anything from the factory other than a 968CS. There is however, a picture of the same wheel in a 965S in the September issue of 911 & Porsche World with a different horn pad.

Tim

Ok so it seems these wheels are similiar who is going to be the test case to order up one of these wheels...the whole wheel not just the crest? As long as it requires no adaptor I would do it.

Could we work something out with Wayne to get these for us at a group rate to ease the cost?

If someone can tell me how much I would do the test case?

-Jeff
nolift911@hotmail.com

From what I've been reading, the 930S and 968CS are the same wheel, with a different horn pad (the cloisonné crest vs. the embossed crest).

I would guess a different adapter would be required for the 968 and 911 (Carrera) cars. To add a crest to the 930s, it runs $50 or so, but if you could use the 968SC horn pad with the embossed emblem, that would be the cat's meow!!

I still don't have anything definitive yet, so proceed at your own risk.

If thats true then presumably there is a separate 911/930 part number for the nicer factory wheel with the proper 911/930 hub, just like there is for the 968CS version?

Anyone have that number?


Tim

Anyone?

What years was the "real" 930S made?

The part number for the 993RS version, which could be the same, are...
Wheel: 993.347.084.80 (+8YR for black) only $320.72 from Pelican!
Pad: 993.347.859.80 (+8YR for black) $162.78 from Pelican :eek:
(the wheel may include the pad and 993.347.099.81 slip ring)

Jon,

Thats my question, too, at least for the supposed "later" factory verison.

The 993RS wheel is definitely not the same wheel. I have that wheel in a car and its a factory item made by Momo and supplied with the differently splined 993 hub.

Tim

The plot thickens...

Tim,

Can you post a picture of your 993RS wheel?

Thanks,

Bad news--just got word from Pelican's order system that the pad is backordered. No further info. :(

RallyJon,

Did you choose to cancel the order or are you going to wait it out and see what happens? I really like the embossed horn pad and hope you can give us some good news soon.

Cheers!

I didn't cancel the order. If they ever decide to ship it to me, great. As Wayne posted on another thread, the Pelican staff doesn't have the time or the inclination to bird-dog individual items.

Greetings,

I have been following this post because I would really like the wheel with the embossed crest. I went to the local Porsche dealer today and they showed me the 968CS wheel. Looks great, feels even better but I can't tell if it will fit on my SC. The parts man with the knowledge wont be back until Monday.

What is the size of the shaft the hub fits onto - he roughly measured it for me and said it was about 3/8" diameter. The wheel looks actually like the pic shown a few replies back. It has the accordian adapter attached so I am unsure at this point on its fit. He did tell me that there should only be two (2) types of shafts and could not recall if I had the larger of the two.

Any enlightenment would be great!

Thanks,
bS

How much?

FWIW, the 1993 911-Speedster also had this "embossed-crest" 930S style wheel. (so I'm guessing it would fit the same)

there was a thread about this on rennlist a while back. as it turns out, a porsche club in the uk has them, and will give the embossed pad away for free ONLY if you buy the wheel from them. they cost 200 pounds which, combined with shipping etc, comes out to 4-5 hundred dollars. check it out...
http://www.type-911.co.uk/ac_carinteriors.htm
they're supposed to be gorgeous, high quality construction.

callipygian, they have the same wheel as Pelican. (just more $'s over there)
note: they say "inlaid" not "embossed" . . they're talking about the same add-on gold crest.