lap times at various tracks

[fredmeister]

I am looking for input on lap times for various tracks around the midwest and east coast that I can use to gage my performance.
If you have a 911SC and wouldn't mind posting lap times and mods to your car for the following tracks....
Mosport
Mid Ohio
Watkins Glen
Gingerman
Elkhart Lake ( Road America)
Putnam Park
I want to get a feel for how I rate when I drive DE events there.....

[ttweed]

Why not just go to the PCA Club Race site and check out their results? The SC runs in G Stock, doesn't it? Except the Euro in F or something?

TT

[gerry100]

My 3.2 coupe (stock)with me driving laps the 3 1/2 miles in about 3 minutes.

I'm still trying to get around without getting lost while still seeing the flag stations. I believe that with some more seat time we can shorten that by 10-15 seconds.

In the instructor Enduro, a Cup car ( I think) driven by a driver with big time experience was turning laps in just over 2 minutes.

[lally911]

My fastest so far at the Glen in an 85 coupe
with street tires is 2:34. A friend did a 2:28 in an 86 coupe last month.

Ketih Lally
85 911 coupe

[89911]

Mid-Ohio this spring 1:48.9
Watking Glen in August 2:26

These are best times with a Hot Lap. Hard to achieve because of slower traffic and such. If you can run in the low 1:50's at the Mid-Ohio with a normally aspirated car, you doing well. Monster Turbos can achieve time about 10 seconds faster. The Glen is good if you can break 2:30's. Larger horsepower cars have even more of an advantage their and can pull close to the 2 minute mark. My car is pretty much a full track car except for a stock engine and transmission.

[89911]

Sorry, didn't tell you the car, 89 3.2. In an SC, these times would be significantly slower!

[MuffinMan]

Of the tracks you listed, I've only been to Watkins Glen. I have a 77 911S (SC flares) with a stiff suspension and stock 2.7 running on 235/255 A032R tires. My best time is ~2:25 with consistent ~2:26's. Breaking 2:30 is a good goal in your SC at the Glen.

[ttweed]

Originally posted by 89911
If you can run in the low 1:50's at the Mid-Ohio with a normally aspirated car, you doing well. Monster Turbos can achieve time about 10 seconds faster.

For Mid-Ohio, check the Valvoline Runoffs results at the SCCA site. The fastest 911 in GT-2 ran a race lap of 1:34, while the winning Nissan 350Z posted a 1:30. These are NA cars. Of course they ran the Pro configuration this year for the first time, which dropped 2-3 seconds per lap.

Look at the D-Sports Racer times. Mark Jaremko ran a 1:24 in a 1000cc NA Yamaha-powered Stohr race car that is currently for sale for ~$50K. Of course you can't drive it on the street and it ain't a Porsche, but I don't think you could go faster for less $$$....

TT

[IROC]

Originally posted by ttweed
Why not just go to the PCA Club Race site and check out their results? The SC runs in G Stock, doesn't it? Except the Euro in F or something?

TT

I used to do this for Road Atlanta lap times, but I was always shocked how far off the pace I was. I was going by the G-class lap times and using them as a guideline for my '76 with a stock 2.7. Even with suspension mods and good rubber, I could only muster times in the 1:52 range. And I'm not afraid to admit I was trying hard. :>)

Now with about 80 more hp, I'm itching to see how much time I can take off...

Mike

[89911]

Tom, I'm talking DE's of course and mostly stock 911 street cars. To break into the 1:40's under these circumstances is respectable. I am well aware of the much lower times for competition. I thing the F1 cars can run in the 1:06's. It's all very humbling and puts things in perspective.

[ttweed]

Originally posted by 89911
I'm talking DE's of course and mostly stock 911 street cars.

Yes, some club racers will take car prep to another level entirely, but I think they are a valid benchmark for comparison to DE times, especially the stock classes. Your 1:48.9, for instance, would have put you 12th fastest in F Stock (which is where your car would fall, I think) at the May 11th PCA Club Race at Mid-Ohio, which is certainly very respectable. Of course the wheel-to-wheel guys will still tell you that DE compares to racing as recreational flying compares to aerial combat!

It's all very humbling and puts things in perspective.

Yah, when I heard that Michael Andretti had run the big track at Willow Springs in 1:06 in a CART car, I was truly humbled. The best Porsche guys are just breaking the 1:20 barrier there in well prepared and well-driven GT3 RS and Cup cars. If I ever break 1:30 I will be ecstatic!

TT

[rs911t]

I just discovered this site today http://corner-carvers.com/trackrecords/
They have member's best times at a variety of tracks. More "realistic" I suppose than looking at race times.

[motion]

Tom, and that was about 15 years ago when Willow was a slower track by 5 seconds!

[ttweed]

Originally posted by motion
Tom, and that was about 15 years ago when Willow was a slower track by 5 seconds!

Holy downforce, Richard! I did not know that. What did they change on the track to result in -5 second lap times?

TT