used 930 point of reference:
 

I have no connection to this car, but OMG is it nice! Too bad about the blue interior IMO, (I would actually go to the trouble and expense of switching it w/ a black one), the rest of the car is off the hook, in my book! Exterior color and condition, ROW equipment and trim, etc...

I think that it is easily worth the reserve/ "buy it now" price. What do you guys think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2453325879&category=10 156
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1073891742.jpg

I'm no expert, but grey market cars have got a really bad wrap so their price will always be lower than one might expect. If the conversion was done properly (most weren't) then I'd assume that it's gotta be a pretty nice car for the money.

I've always been torn with these 930s though. To me I think a 993 would be a better car for that kind of money. But i've never driven /ridden in a turbo car before.

Adam

Wow nice! Are you in the market? Just one knit-pick though: It looks as though the rear deck lid might have been repainted at some point (imperfections around the "turbo" emblem), and is obviously misaligned as well.

Deck lid might need to be adjusted, (or maybe wasn't closed properly while they were taking these pictures), but I don't see other problems w/ it? Of course the car would need to be inspected in any case. Seller specifically allows outside PPIs in the ad.

I am not in the market, but would make an impulse buy immediately if I could afford to hit the "Buy It Now" button. :D I have always had a weakness for euro 930s in beautiful colors.

As for the "grey market" issue, all 930s from 1980-85 were grey market, and I greatly prefer Euro cars to U.S. cars in all circumstances. If they are cheaper on the U.S. market, that would be to my benefit. Once again, a very thourough PPI and preferably complete records will remove any conversion issues. Fortunately, very little needed to be done to these cars to Federalise them, and it's all reversible. :)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1073897503.jpg

Dents on rear lid are very common as owners tend to close them by pressing on sheet metal instead as they should, bu holding on to wing. I had it too...

P.S. I don't see why ROW car should be worse than US...

Nice looking ride!

That cars is gorgeous. So tempting. How hard to put black carpets in it and do you think it would look good with deviating black carpets.

Oh I saw that too... Nice - and I thought that in the Turbo - ROW was better...

ROW 3.3 930's had 300HP stock and better fuel system. As far as i know, there were no US 3.3 models until late 80's and even they had 20HP less then ROW models from 10 years ago...

I mean, if you want to pay extra for thermal reactors and less power, go ahead...

Denis -
Nice looking car, and assuming a clean bill of health on a PPI, I'd say $30,000 - $30,500 is the high end price. I did a lot of looking a few months ago before I bought the '79 and I think that prices have even come down a bit since then.
PM me if you'd like price point details.

Best,
JP

Forget the car, what about the T-6 in the background?

On the decklid fitment all 930 decklids tend to sit like that. It used to concern me that my 930 looked like that until I got a copy of the Porsche 930 factory sales brochure from 1986. The decklid of the car in the brochure sits just like that one.

As the owner of a 1985 Turbo I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. My car was imported in 1986 and federalization consisted of door crash bars, USDOT headlamps, red/white rear lens covers and USDOT exhaust. I have all the signed documentation. The owner saved the Euro parts and promptly swapped everything back (with the exception of the door bars). I don't understand why the grey cars get a bad rap. It's not like the electrical system, fuel system or other critical component was ripped out and redone. The only difference from a US turbo is the fuel system, which I gather is a definite plus. I've owned the car for over a year now and have had nothing but fun with it. If you have the beans buy the turbo... grey market or not!

Steve Bucina
85 930

John, did you click on the ad? There are a couple of gorgeous planes behind the car, but I don't know my airplanes, so what are they?

As for the car, It looks to be a "10" if you like the color. A 1985 w/ all of the Euro equipment intact is extremely desirable IMO, I worked at a U.S. Porsche dealer at that time and I know the cars. The only thing to remember is that records, (especially early records and importation paperwork), are important to verify milage/when the car came in, etc... This is a 300hp bone-stock car, (as opposed to 282hp for U.S. model in '86), yes, they are all easily upgraded HP-wise but this is a better starting platform. I would mildly tweak it to ~350hp on pump gas. This car is so gorgeous and it will really slap your passenger for you if necessary. ;)

I don't have the loot, but will someone please buy this for me?? :)

And BTW, low miles 930s are common on ebay, but virginal, stock Euro cars like this are "needle in a haystack" in the U.S., someone is going to really score. :cool:

This thing is smoking hot. I'd love to bag the blue carpet, other then that its sweet.

Looks to be worth the money.
This guy is just around the corner, I
could take a look if you want.
I bet the interior looks better than you
think.

Yeah, the whole interior has to go, IMO. Wonder what a mint full leather interior w/ heated sport seats (in blue) would go for? Enough to buy a mint black interior w/ an '86-up dash? (Big vents). And buy a DAS roll bar + Recaro Pole Positions?

"Dreamin' is free". ;)

Amac, I don't have the loot for it, but if you have time take a peak and tell us what you think.

(So that I can really hang myself). ;)

I'll swing by on my way home, I had
no idea this guy was even there.
Stay tuned!!

Hmmm, none of the "unmolested" 930's that I've seen have had that problem. Here's the eBay car:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1073944959.jpg
And here's how it should look:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1073945021.jpg


Oh, and Dennis I agree with you 100% on the whole "grey market" issue. If you can get a car like that (read: better than the choked US version) for below market value just because it has a few Z's in the VIN, go for it!


SmileWavy

Eric - perhaps you have more discerning "eBay eyes" than I do, but I thought the reference was to the fact that the line across the decklid edge does not match perfectly with the line above the tail lights. I can assure you that the picture in the 1986 sales brochure looks closer to the blue car in that regard than your car (maybe your car has been in a wreck or something?). I am also wondering if there is just more of a shadow on the left of the car??

p.s. That is a joke about your car as your decklid lines up about as perfectly as possible.

Out of curiosity and not to be a wise ass, then why didn't the factory make the minor mods and sell 'em in the U.S.?:confused:

Jon, That's a perfectly good question and the answer is a combination of legal issues and other internal matters w/ the Porsche company that we may never know, but it most certainly was not because of some difficulty in federalising the car.

If you do a search, you might find previous discussions on this board regarding why Porsche pulled the 930 from the U.S. market after the 1979 M.Y. :cool:

Denis: Thanks.

If this is the guy I'm thinking of his name is Jason. I bought a car from him before...he is a honest guy.

Ah, maybe that's where the confusion is. I was referring to the discrepancy between the vertical gaps on the decklid (see red arrows in pic). The right side gap is clearly larger than the left. It almost looks like the left side has zero gap near the bottom. Other than that, it is an awesome looking Turbo!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1073975648.jpg

Oh, and that red 930 isn't mine, I only wish it was!

SmileWavy

Alot the 930's that I have seen have the same gap like above. I think it's from the driver lifting it up from the left side(driver side) and because of the weight it is slowly tweaking it.

Hey Eric - yep - I was looking at the wrong thing. That gap is easily adjusted as the entire lid can be slid left to right by loosening a few bolts.

I still say that it just looks like it isn't latched fully; like they were running around taking pictures of everything including under the hood and it got left ajar. The car looks perfect to me, and I am comparing to new ones that I used to sell.

Great color, reminds me of somebodys SC ;)
I wonder if the new cupholder could handle the boost, And I'm not kidding.

Hey Bob, Yeah, it does look like Pacificblau in the pics, hard to tell though. If so, it would be a "color to sample" optioned car since P.B. was only a 1981/82 color. In '85, the similar color was Slate Blue, but this isn't it. Amazing the way this color looks when it is in brand new factory condition. :cool:

Me thinks it's "Prussian Blue Metallic". :cool:

Oh, and you're probably right about the lid, just picking the only knit.

Stopped by and had a look at this car on my way home
yesterday.
Car's in great shape, 27K miles, very good paint, clean
interior, good rubber.
The interior is dark blue almost the same color as the car,
looks great. The only thing I seen that needed repair was
a small spot on the dash.
I was suprised when I popped the tail, B&B intercooler,
B&B headers and muffler, Power flow intake and filter.
Took it for a short spin, runs good, guessing about 400hp.
If I was in the market I'd pay $28K.

And now it's over - someone did the buy now option for 33,888.00 If it's a 400hp car in that shape - then I think someone got a good find. And I have Marine Blue Full Leather in mine - It looks great.

Someone got an awesome car, I think. And it's definitely not Prussian Blue, which is a color that I do not care for in the least. Prussian Blue was a "purple-ish" color in the late '80s, probably one of the worst resale colors ever. It looks like Pacific Blue, (the color of my car, as well as Doug Zeike's), I have been known to but Pacific Blue 911s w/o a PPI on pure impulse. ;)

It looked like it might have been marine blue to me.

I wonder if somebody lurking here bought it? If so your due a commission, Denis ;)

And don't feel Bad, Denis If you would had got that car you probably wouldn't want to work anymore, Just drive around the city picking up babes to buy the gas. That's no life :confused:

I saw that car earlier and thought the same thing - wow - if only I was in the market. If I would have known it had all the B&B goodies - it might have been just tempting enough...

I hope that someone here bought it and plans on cleaning it w/ Q-tips until I can afford to take it off of their hands. ;) I've rarely been this messed-up over a particular used car, but these 911s can hit you on a level that is so far removed from logic and practicallity(sp?) that it isn't even funny. ;)

Those mid-'80s 930s w/ all of the ROW trim intact, (like the little hanging red fog light in the rear), evoke a time when those cars were *contraband* in the U.S., and having one was just the shiznit. :cool:

Hey Eric, You want a red 930? Sus and I are reducing our toy count....