engine to tranny assembly question

[sammyg2]

I'm trying to install my engine and I'm having a little trouble mating it to the transaxle. i have it started but it is about 1" from being all the way up and I'm having trouble getting that last inch.
i think it may be hanging up on the clutch throw out arm. I have the clutch arm removed as detailed in wayne's book (which I left at work, duh).
The arm had some play in it and as I pushed the engine closer the play diminished as if the arm was engaging into the throwout bearing.

Any suggestions? I really don't want to force it and screw it up.

[MotoSook]

Try turning the crank a little...

[sammyg2]

OK, I'll be right back

[surflvr911sc]

Did you look in hole to be sure the fork has properly engaged the TB?

[MotoSook]

Just a general note: Make sure you do not have any washers between the bell housing and the engine..you know, from when you put the nut and washers on the stud so you wonld'nt lose them....

[sammyg2]

Hmmm, tell me more about this hole I should be looking through.

[MotoSook]

should be a half moon shaped hole on the driver's side

[sammyg2]

i'll be right back again.

[911andy]

Did you change any parts – if yes then:

1)check the release baring if it fits over the sleeve on the transmission…I had this happen to me before.
2) Check the dowel pins….has happen to me but not on a Porsche.

[sammyg2]

I can't see diddly through that little hole except the side of the throw out bearing.

I didn't replace any parts related to the clutch but I did pull it for inspection. i used that fancy little plastic alignment tool so I'm confident the clutch plate is lined up.

I backed the engine off a little until I got the through out arm free, then played with it trying to line it up while I pushed the engine back in. No dice. i wish I had a couple more arms right about now, either that or a beer.

In my mind i imagine how it's supposed to go together but maybe i'm missing something.

I imagine that the throw out fork should be extended towards the throw out bearing, then slipped into the grove while the engine is pushed in. does that sound right?

[MotoSook]

Originally posted by sammyg2

I imagine that the throw out fork should be extended towards the throw out bearing, then slipped into the grove while the engine is pushed in. does that sound right?

That's about right...it should almost be perpendicular to the bearing surface. As you slide the engine and trans together, rotate it onto the TOB.

If nothing is caught/hanging it up, just push..it'll go together. Make sure the four studs are through the bell housing...get the wifey to rotate the fork...then ash her to bring you a beer

[sammyg2]

That's about what i'm trying to do. I'm started in the 4 studs without any problem, I'm trying to keep the engine and tranny lines up so the faces are square, guess i'll just have to keep trying. I'm almost to the point where I pull the engine back out and drop the tranny and install it as an assembly.

The wife is at work and she hates my car so I'll have to go fetch my own beer

I'm still working all night but I got sick of looking at the engine sitting there ready to install. maybe what I really need is a nap.

[MotoSook]

persistance is your friend then...good luck.

[ischmitz]

Sammy,

if the tranny is in the car it might be that the little lip on the transmission side catches on the engine flywheel side. The bell housing has sort of a step machined into its circumference and hugs the engine case. I bet that is what you are having problems with.

I takes alot of wiggle with the engine and transmission out of the car to push the two all the way together. I can only imagine what a PITA it would be to wiggle the 400lbs engine on the jack to make it go all the way together.

Who ever suggested to only take out the engine was on an evil trip!!!!!!

Ingo

[sammyg2]

I don't know what I did differently but it is in and bolted up tight.

I lowered the engine a little and it popped right in. i can't tell if the clutch fork is engaged properly, it has a very slight amount on movement in it, my fingers are crossed. Is it possible to install it without having the fork engaged with the throwout bearing? And if so, would it have more slop in it?

I agree with you on the PITA Ingo, it was easy to take it out without the tranny but going together was a whole different story. That's the last time I'll do it that way.

[ischmitz]

Cool,

if the clutch fork is not in the TO bearing it eithe moves alot or the engine wont got onto the tranny.

Good job,
Ingo

[MotoSook]

Nice Sammy! Nice! Now go take a nap

[sammyg2]

Shower first, then beer, then nap. Who says I don't have my priorities straight?

I figures about three more hours of hooking up and fabricating before I have boost
I need to decide where to run the itty-bitty plastic tubing for the boost gauge, any suggestions? I'm kinda thinking through the center tunnel.