How much do you think this would cost to build Part 2?
 

Sorry guys to start thread on this but i just came back from seeing this project. I need some bigtime advice on this project. I feel as this car is worthy to buy due to the seller showing me what was included. But there is some pros and cons...The cons i have is storing this project, i have a place to store it but it is 2 and half hours away, as i live in apartments and that would be so not good...if i stored it at my sisters , the project would be 2 and half hours and I am some what chicken to handle a put back together project, i have some knowledge but not a porsche expert. Ok the car has had the undercarrige cleaned and por15. the owner said there wasnt any major rust just surface rust which i confirmed, but i did notice rust on the pan but not bad, the some what rust i saw could be fixed easily( i think?). it seems ready for a paint job. the slant nose is good, it is steal, i dont think its factory more like aftermarket...the bumpers are fiberglass rear and front..he has a porsche rear reflector in excellent condition and the 3.8 wing seems good....
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074910965.jpg

ok he said for $4500 he will include the fallowing items
1. complete 2nd fiberglass slant nose kit....its ok
2. a complete convert top...its new
3. 914 2.0 engine....was running when taking out..has SS heaters
3 2 transmissions... he thinks 914 says they are good
4 a second parts car 911 widebody to go with the car...its ok
he has boxes of extra parts like heater ducts, new type power brake booster he wanted to put in...i am undertasing that all major parts are there expect some parts
Parts needed
1. windshield
2. dash
3 other intertior parts
4. some small items
other small parts i may not know about
but the car is completely gutted expect for the steering(which has new tie rods and steering rack) to be cleaned up and rust proof
I think this guy is selling a great deal to my knowledge(who knows maybe another porsche expect will see it and say hell no)
i think he has a lot of the major parts needed to be put back together. Now i know the 914 2.0 is not the orignal engine in this car, but its better then the chevy engine the guy wanted to put in.....So what do you Guys think, should i attempt this project?

PS I understand this project will take at least a year maybe sooner or later depending on funds and help i recieve...I know its a major project undertaking and i feel it would be such a good project to work on since i would know what went into this project if i get it....

My advice? Run as far as you can from this thing. You will spend countless hours putting it together, and you will also spend hundreds of hours. It would probably think twice about something like this even if it was given to me free.

Sorry to be a misanthrope, but you did ask for an opinion...

-Wayne

okay- so after you sell off all the other stuff you end up with a free project, right? At least that would be a decent start.. or is it? What another post had as pricing was fairly accurate but he forgot to add in 150 hours of experienced labor. IF you have a year of free time to drive back and forth 5 hours (each time you work on it ) AND there are enough board members that give you accurate on line help, you could do it yourself and end up with a neat car. OR save up less dough and buy a decent one out here. they run about 17-25k all done and driving. Some are nice, some are turds- you have to check them out.
If you want to be in the parts biz, then consider buying all his stuff and part it all out
Good luckSmileWavy

Like wayne said Run. Would you rather drive your new to you Porsche, or drive something else 2.5 hours to work on your Porsche?

I would say that that's a very easy pass.

You are looking at the absolutely most costly method of putting a 911 together, even if it's all your own labor. And you're left with what, a heavily modified, very slow car?

Wayne i am not offened thats why i come here to get sound advice...see what to me sounds like a good deal to others bad....i come here to get the experts to tell me whats wrong and whats not so far it works...thanks

I think that project would be a big mistake. Either you build it properly to factory wide-body standards ($40,000) & end up with a great car, but one you could have bought from somebody else for half that, or you put it together on a tight budget using the bits included & end up with a fibreglass turbo look thing with 914 engine that you couldn't give away.

Its a commendable intention to get into something like this, but if thats what you really want to do why not find an early, original S or E that needs to be restored? IMO that would be a MUCH better use of your time & money. Good luck!

Did you add this since you first posted this? maybe I didnt read the 2.5 hr drive either, buy a car put together if you live in an apartment, Kevin

yes kevin this is part 2, but like the board says its not a good deal..and i would agree i guess i thought it was a good deal then ...

I don't think this project would do any good for your relationship with your sister :)

Fender guy, I have owned a couple 944's, and for that price you may think about a 944 easy to drive daily drivers, working heat and ac, I thought you bumped into a great deal and a place to work on it, The project doesnt scare me, but I have a garage to work in, Kevin ''''''''''
Keep looking, but please dont buy a turd 911,

actually i called her and she said was ok since her husband is a gear head....the place were my sis lives is my home town so a place to stay would be no problem...i thought it would have been cool to put a project together and say hey i did it...

Kevin the turd is out of the picture forever !!! i want a silver or white 911 ...yeah i thought i ran into a good deal here but i guess not ..

run screaming.

This is your first Porsche, right? But a good one...one that someone else has taken care of. Do NOT buy a project unless you are an absolute whiz with tools, have a nice big garage, and have lots of time and money.

Don't buy a parts car...don't buy a bastardized thing...don't buy someone else's project that they didn't finish (there is usually a reason). Find a solid car that is ready to go. If your budget is really tight, then wait and save more money so you've got enough to buy a decent car. The life you save may be your own...

If nostatic says a no "go" then i dont go.. thanks for the advice hey shows you what i know, it maybe be a good deal for parts and such but i am not in the mood to buy and sell self out....i guess the hunt is still on...still would have been cool to do if i had the space

well, I wouldn't put that much creedence in my opinion, but I think it sounds like you aren't setup to do a project. A nice solid SC/Carrera, or a 2.7 car that has been well sorted should be your target unless you really have a jones for an early car or something "different".

nostatic no i have always had a preference for the 1978 and later Porsches or a cab .....well nostatic even though it was a 73 it was setup to look like a widebody turbo look it was actually a decent looking car...

A car like that Fender, take the work you can see and triple it, so if you guessed a year, try three. Come on man, it can't be that hard to find a good 911, what's your price range, I'm sure we'd all be happy to let you know if a good one comes along. Say it along with me, no bastard 911s, no bastard 911s......now doesn't that feel better?

No bastards No bastards price range from 8k to 13k...i will prob still get flack cause if i get a targa its going to be a cab no matter what !

just a thought...
 

I hate to deal with, or recommend, ebay cars and dealers with ebays cars. But, this one sounds nice. click here

If you must have one of those big bumper cars without a roof on it. :rolleyes:

Shawn.

edit: what is that thing to the left of the engine?

What do you mean about the targa comment, are you going to convert it if you get a targa? If so, don't bother, just pay the money and get a real cab, why risk a hack job? I'd say get a targa, best of both worlds, but since you want a cab.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2455657463&category=10 156
It's a little higher than your range, but looks nice, maybe if the auction doesn't go over well he'll re-think his price? It's in So. Cal, lots of Pelicans there.

It's amazing how you come up with these derelict projects! From a Porschev to this?
Either you have to save to get a worth while car, or stop looking at these insane projects. There are plenty of good cars out there--why do you avoid them?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2455657463&category=10 156 (Indiana)
http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/2/0/63243320.htm (Phoenix)
http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/6/2/64134062.htm (SD CA)
1984 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA, CABRIOLET, 216K ORIG MI, 3.2L ENG, RUNS EXC, NEW TOP, COMPLETE RBLT TRANS, NEW CLUTCH, 3 PIECE BBS WHLS, NEW TIRES, TOO MUCH TO LIST, ALL RECORDS, MUST SEE, MUST SELL, $13,500 OBO, 408-371-5333, PHONE 4083715333(408) 371-5333 (Campbell CA)
1989 PORSCHE 911 1989 PORSCHE CARRERA, CABRIOLET, UPDATED STEREO, MIDNIGHT BLUE/ TAN INT, PWR TOP, 2 OWNERS, BOOKS & RECORDS, 6 & 8S, VIN #171294, $14,500, CALL PRISTINE MOTORSPORTS, 714-960-2421, PHONE 7145367888(714) 536-7888 (Huntington Beach, CA)

That's looking maybe 20 minutes, the good ones are out there.

Matt and Shawn thanks for the post I have seen those 2 cars on ebay, but ebay has annoyed me for the past experiences i have on that. I think its good for some items, but the car market in Ebay is crazy...I really like this asinine Beethoven, I like how he observes and comments with a obtuse mind. Seems others have come up with these derelict projects, I am just here to ask for advice on them. I am really avoiding the good cars? I learned from the porschchev and this project would have been a fun to do if I had the space, sorry Beethoven if my life isn’t as peachy as yours

http://www.carbuyer.com/moreinfo.html?adv=1&key=765387&s= (FL)
http://www.porsche-classified.com/cgi-bin/client.asp?a=Client&s=LoadFrames&link=a%253DSearch %2526s%253DGetDetail%2526%2526MakeID%253DPorsche (NM)

Yeah, so I'm bored.

Matt must we get started on the high milage cars? lol

Don't take things so personally Fender, would you rather us blow smoke up your a$s?

Hey, miles are relative to the work done on the car, especially on a Porsche. I'll take a high miles car with rebuilt this and that in good shape over a low miles ticking bomb any day.

man,,,i dont think i would tackle that project even for free...i have experience in the project that was over-whelming (an old mahogany chris-craft inboard cleveland ford 6 cylinder with a bronze prop...looked good on paper but............earth would dry up before i would have completed that project i think that cars would be outlawed by the time you would complete this car (imho).
gary

I think people would take this project for free, i would and sell the parts. lets not kid ourselves in saying you wouldnt take this project for free

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you are right, i guess i lost my head, i was thinking that i would attempt to put it together and did not even think about selling the parts, just was thinking about all of the work involved and it made me go stupid.

gary

I'd take it for parts, and only parts. Sad thing is, I couldn't even get a good engine out of it. I take it you didn't like any of the links? Trust me, a 20 year old car will be project enough, even if you get a good one.

Matt didnt say i didnt i looked into some of them but i guess i am still looking .

A 911 cab that floats!!!!!!

That has got to be worth $4500:D :cool: :D :D

You don't see those every day:eek: :eek: :eek:

I wouldn't take that car on for a project. It has to many mssing parts. Besides if you have never had any experience with taking one of these cars apart then how easy will it be to put back together. I took my car completely apart and have all the baggies labeled where the parts go. I also took a lot of digital pictures as I started dismanteling. I know there will still be times when I will be scratching my head and wondering where ta heck does this go.

i must admit, fender, i love your enthusiasm! but after just working on getting an external oil cooler into my 75, i couldnt even imagine doing everything else! every tiny detail, relay, switch, the crazy wiring... i once emailed targa80 and asked him about his parts filing system just because of the magnitude of his project. i would be blown away. believe me, any 911 you get will probably have lots of work to do on it enough. keep looking. just my opinion.

I'm no expert but it seems to me that 911 prices have been falling unusually fast during the past year. So being picky and having patience may pay off $$$ in the end.

$4500 and it comes with a 914 engine?

Sounds more like "Pay me $4500 and I'll let you clean out my garage".

I wouldn't take on a project like this if it was free, and even I have the garage, tools, and most of the skills to put it together.

I imagine the good bits have already been ebay'd off, and he's trying to get some sucker to sweep up the crumbs.