911ST flares

Shuie · 06:49 AM

Ive searched on this and saved off every pic of the 911ST and ST clones that I can find. I dont think I have seen two cars that had consistent rear flares yet. The cars were not a standard production model and mostly built by hand, so no shock there.

In general, the cars Ive got pics of definitely have flares that are wider than SC/RS profile where they blend into the rear bumper tangs and torsion tube access point. They are also narrower at both of these points than a RSR flare They seem to be ~9-10" at the widest point. Is this about right?

Here are 2 pics of the rear flare profile Im thinking of:

What is the easiest way to get the ST flare look on the rear of the car? jpnovak has posted a few threads documenting the use of a hammer/dolly to bump his SC flares out on his ST replica. Pretty neat stuff, but the pucker factor is way too high for me to try this. Has anyone ever trimmed down a set of 11" RSR flares to get the ST look on the rear? Im thinking of trying this with a set of Rennspeeds glass flares. Any thoughts or advice?

Also, what rear bumper profile does the ST flare out to approximately? Will a 9" RS rear bumper work on a typical clone?

TIA

onewhippedpuppy · 02-22-2004, 07:01 AM

No help here, but I'll be interested in the answers you get, that's a pretty sweet look. Are the fronts flared as well?

Shuie · 07:10 AM

The fronts are the same as the RSR. Rennspeed has me covered there

. If they are not the same, they are close enough for me not to be able to tell the difference. There is definitely something different about the rears though.

Any thoughts on trimming down and reworking a glass set of rear RSR flares to try to get the ST look? Anybody out there seen both cars up close that can offer some input?

67nin11 · 02-22-2004, 08:24 AM

im going for the same look myself. i was thinking about using some styrofoam for shaping and glassing it, but would need pics from different angles to get it right. i think i've read that the original cars had hand formed flares and they were all different.

swbsam · 02-22-2004, 09:19 AM

this is the ST that was at the andial open house yesterday

maxnine11 · maxnine11's Garage

nice pictures Sam (as usual

)

which variety of orange is that??

signal orange??
tangerine??

max

swbsam · 02-22-2004, 09:44 AM

tangerine as far as I know.

more pics here :Open House at Andial

sammygon1 · 02-22-2004, 10:28 AM

Aren't the ST flares more rounded than the typical RSR flares. I'm not sure but I thought they were and the pic of the white car looks that way. Sam

Jack Olsen · 02-22-2004, 10:51 AM

Wouldn't it be smarter to start with fiberglass RS flares, and maybe round them down, slightly?

My guess would be that there is very little consistency with the ST flare, because so few were made.

Some angles:

67nin11 · 02-22-2004, 12:27 PM

on the rearview shot it looks like the flares extend over the sides of the bumper near the wheel openings? is this a real st or a replica? maybe a side by side shot would show the difference between rs and st flares.

Kemo · 02-22-2004, 07:51 PM

Ron Maxwell at Pro-Cooler just recently performed some restoration on an ST, i think...anyway...he may have some photos. he mentioned that he was documenting the restoration of the car...he may be able to shed some light.

jriera · 02-22-2004, 07:53 PM

Talk with the people at GT-Racing... he use to own an ST and the story goes that the ST flares he sells are molded from the original...

jpnovak · 02-23-2004, 06:28 AM

You are correct about the rear flares on the ST's being different. There are two reasons. One is that the early cars (1970) were flared to allow use of new class racing rules which allowed an extra 2" of width and tire. Many of the ST's were modified by the privateers who raced them, some at the factory and some at race shops. This means some had pulled/metal worked fenders, some were hand made flares, and some were factory flares. Some of my favorite pics are the ones with flared fronts and a narrow body bumper. The look of the flare hanging out in the wind is cool.

The second is that these cars were used as a platform for development of the 73 RSR. This evolution is show that the flares get wider as the years go on. There are a few cars from 72 that look almost like a RSR sans tail.

What does it all mean? You can make the hcar look however you want. I didn't want the widebody look. I liked the car to be symmetric so I shaped the SC flares in the best way I could to sort of match the fronts. This meant rounding out the squared edge.

Hank at GT racing does sell the "correct" flares. they were supposedly molds taken from the 5705 car pictured in the catalog. I think this car is now owned by Peter Kitchak.

I have a full archive of pictures I have collected. Most are too big to post but here are a few I like. I will post some more after I have time to shrink them down.

Shuie · 02-23-2004, 06:36 AM

I knew GT racing sold glass ST type flares, but I thought the rears where the same as the RS/SC rears (same part number in the catalog). I'll give them a call later today.

Thanks everyone!

sturco · 02-23-2004, 02:40 PM

FYI- Here's my 67 911S SWB. It has steel front & rear flares with steel bumpers to match the flares. I've detailed the undercarriage and have no clue if they are factory, aftermarket etc. Who ever did them was first class. I've researched all the early ST's and these are as close as I've seen to correct ??? Steve

mjshira · 02-23-2004, 02:54 PM

nice garage Steve!

--James

sturco · 02-23-2004, 02:59 PM

James, That's where your car is going to be sitting when we do the conversion. It'll be fun ! Steve

mjshira · 02-23-2004, 03:07 PM

cool! March it is!

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

Hey - I've ridden in that car!!

Looks like ya added some Porsche graphics Steve? Nice! -- Curt

Shuie · 02-27-2004, 03:31 PM

bumping because today I received a package from Hank at GT Racing with a set of glass ST flares.

I just got done laying them against my '73, which has SC flares BTW, and the difference is pretty drastic. They are at least an inch wider at the peak of the flare and the overall contour is very different from the SC flare currently on the car. I have both a glass RS and a RSR bumper here currently and neither of them match up to the flares.

When I ordered them, Hank confirmed they were molded from the ST he used to own and race. 1 of the 3 factory STs made in 1970. Pretty neat stuff.

Anybody want pics of the comparison? I'll try to post some by the end of the weekend.

Hank was great to deal with also. Really nice guy who got me my stuff very quickly