POC classes: why move out of stock?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Chuck Moreland
You would be better off getting a racing shell, then swapping it in and out for your street seat.

hmm...the shells are a lot cheaper. So I get a harness bar, harness, and shell, and pop all three in for the weekend, then out Sunday night.

hmm...

[GrindingGears]

Oh no...this seems all too easy...Todd what have you done...feeding your curiousity, Mr. Greenthumb...simultaneously planting seeds in the minds of unsuspecting individuals...

I knew I shouldn't have read this thread...****

[Zeke]

Let's take this a step further, If Todd or I move out of stock and we install 21 fronts and 26 rears with stock non adjusting swaybars and some decent shocks like Bilsteins, how does anyonw know? I can adjust my Koni reds up pretty hard and the car doesn't move, kinda like it had 23mm in the front. So, say I do this and don't move out of stock, are they gonna take my bars out for a middle time on the sheet? If I were doing this for car safety, I wouldn't have any qualms about overriding some rules. Now if the thing squirts by everyone because it's a 10:1 2.9 RSR spec motor, that might be blatant

I have a POC rule book, but it's not a 2004 and they changed every year. I know that because it took me two years to build the 914 and it changed classes twice all by itself.

[campbellcj]

FYI, the POC 2004 rules have been posted for quite some time.

http://www.porscheclub.com/pdf/2004/2004_GCR_red_line.PDF

Minimal changes this year, I think. In 2003 there were some far more significant tweaks.

Unfortunately, the POC rules are still not kind to 914's...

[Chuck Moreland]

You can put in Bilsteins and still be stock legal.

You wouldn't be the first to put in torsion bars and other hidden go-fast parts on the sly. Not by a long, long shot.

I realize you are just playing devil's advocate. I say play it straight - or you can drive home sunday having won a knife fight with a gun. Shallow victory.

[89911]

Why move out of stock? If competition is what your after, then stay with a stock car. If you crave to create a better performing car, your natural progression will lead you out of that class. Thinking back on how my car performed 5 years ago when it was bone stock and how it is now, the car is a much more enjoyable experience.

[GrindingGears]

Originally posted by campbellcj
FYI, the POC 2004 rules have been posted for quite some time.

http://www.porscheclub.com/pdf/2004/2004_GCR_red_line.PDF

Was anyone able to download this file? I tried at home and work, to no avail.

If any of you have it, could ya email it to me?

PFort79@aol.com

Gracias

[surflvr911sc]

I am the poster child for over designing a streetcar, and then wanting to run w/ POC. Remember the cars at CFOS last weekend? That’s where my fun, little canyon carving Targa falls in class w/.

The biggest problem for me is that I would have to turn the car into a full race car (cage, fire, seats, harness) to even run in those classes; plus redesign the suspension, and rebuild the engine for hp & reliability to even pretend to be competitive, which it probably wouldn’t. Basically spend as much on the car as I had in the past year for a weekend racer that would be a lot of fun earning last place.

I’ve decided to enjoy the car mostly as is and use it for the occasional track days until I can get a dedicated track car (SC) that I can run in IS or JI.

I feel kind of like I’m trying to get around big Willow in reverse, not the best plan of attack but I’m still having fun anyway.

[dotorg]

Originally posted by campbellcj
Oops, silly me.

The BIG, BIG, other reason is -safety-.

I very quickly realized that I did not feel safe driving on the track without a complement of safety equipment that cannot be installed in a "street/stock" car:
Full welded roll cage, chassis stiffening, interior gutting, race seats, harnesses, fire protection, significant other misc. "race prep" such as high-end fuel and oil plumbing, tow hooks, and so forth.

Cannot be installed? Bah, I'm installing most of that in my 911, and during the summer its my commuter car by week, track car by weekend.

[Chuck Moreland]

Oil cooling enhancements are free for all classes.

In general the following types of upgrades are free:

- Safety enhancements (harness, roll bar, etc)
- Maintenance items (shocks, bearings, etc)
- Track survivability (oil cooling, performance brake juice and pads)

Note that bilsteins where stock or optional on many 911s.

Performance upgrades like racing shocks, larger brakes, DOT R tires, sway bars, etc are not allowed in stock classes.


edit: hey what happened? Those answers where in response to someone's post and it dissapeared!

[MMARSH]

Originally posted by surflvr911sc
I am the poster child for over designing a streetcar, and then wanting to run w/ POC. Remember the cars at CFOS last weekend? That’s where my fun, little canyon carving Targa falls in class w/.

The biggest problem for me is that I would have to turn the car into a full race car (cage, fire, seats, harness) to even run in those classes; plus redesign the suspension, and rebuild the engine for hp & reliability to even pretend to be competitive, which it probably wouldn’t. Basically spend as much on the car as I had in the past year for a weekend racer that would be a lot of fun earning last place.

I’ve decided to enjoy the car mostly as is and use it for the occasional track days until I can get a dedicated track car (SC) that I can run in IS or JI.

I feel kind of like I’m trying to get around big Willow in reverse, not the best plan of attack but I’m still having fun anyway.

Ryan, I think your situation happens alot. A guy buys or has a 911 and starts to modify it. Then to really appreciate the mods, they take it to the track. The track bug hits and now they have a car that wasn't built for any specific class and probably isn't competive in the class where it would be grouped. But, it's a great street car.

When I first started with the POC I had a different car. Luckily for me it was pretty stock. After using that car for a year, I knew exactly what class I wanted to be in and what car I wanted to build. A couple of years later, It's still not entirely done, but I've been having fun with it. If I were doing it over again, I would start out with a SC or Carrera.

Right now, just do as many events as you can, learn to drive and have fun. With the POC and other good groups. As much as I enjoy the POC events, I've personally found I really like doing events where every car isn't a Porsche. I think it's alot of fun being out there with other makes of cars. I wish the POC would do combined races with the BMW club for example and the Alfa events are a blast also.