![]() |
|
|
|
Registered
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,492
|
What exactly is the theory/use of the fuel return line anyway?
Also is the usage only on MFI?
__________________
1969 911 E Coupe "Little Bull" "Horse" "H." Heart, "G." Gears, and "P" the Porsche |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MESA AZ
Posts: 505
|
most fuel pumps pump more volume than needed by the injectors, so extra fuel is bypassed through the return lines back to the tank. It is also on cis cars and almost any car with fuel injection for that matter
__________________
1967 912 2.7 1977 MGB (bright yellow) 1985 Honda Spree Moped (great for towing rollerbladers) A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut without a hole, is a Danish. |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,492
|
Why would Porsche then just manufacture a pump with the correct volume, as opposed to the extra line back to the tank?
__________________
1969 911 E Coupe "Little Bull" "Horse" "H." Heart, "G." Gears, and "P" the Porsche |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
|
I know on the CIS it can relieve excess pressure on the fuel system for a better air/fuel ratio under certain conditions.
At least I think thats one of the uses.... just read about it today in the Bosch book |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Georgia
Posts: 3,151
|
The challenge is that the engine needs more or less fuel depending on the rpm and load. When the demand is high, more pressure is needed to deliver the fuel.. lower, lower.. One set pressure will only work for a certain rpm.
__________________
1986 3.2 Carrera |
||
![]() |
|
Hilbilly Deluxe
|
Quote:
![]() And this: ![]() Tom |
||
![]() |
|
![]() |
Registered
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,492
|
OK., so I'm reading here there's a similarity between "volume" and "pressure" as used here, and the applications are on MFI and CIS?
__________________
1969 911 E Coupe "Little Bull" "Horse" "H." Heart, "G." Gears, and "P" the Porsche |
||
![]() |
|
Registered
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Peoples Republic of Long Beach, NY
Posts: 21,140
|
in a fixed fuel line diameter volume increases with psi.
there is also an increase in friction in the line and injector, but it's negligible w/our relatively low volumes. The return line, even if not part of the orig system, can make sense in every fuel sys imo.
__________________
Ronin LB '77 911s 2.7 PMO E 8.5 SSI Monty MSD JPI w x6 |
||
![]() |
|
Now in 993 land ...
|
Also note that the extra fuel cycled around helps cool the pump.
George |
||
![]() |
|
Registered abUser
|
What George said. Electric fuel pumps, for the most part, are fixed displacement pumps. The fluid pumped dissipates heat and without the loop, the pump dead-heads and overheats. The loop also allows for a constant pressure head to be available on demand.
Last edited by TerryH; 06-08-2004 at 10:05 PM.. |
||
![]() |
|
Author of "101 Projects"
|
Yes, there are a variety of reasons:
- Recirculating fuel helps to cool the pump - The pump must maintain various pressures and flow rates. The system (CIS/MFI/Motronic) regulates the amount of fuel put into the cylinder by means of the injector. Excess is pumped back to the tank. - Pressure can be very tightly regulated. Pressure would change drastically if the fuel flow changed (like with a carb pump). Carbs simply take as much fuel as they need, and then shut off the fuel bowls. The system works a little bit like a turbo - uses what it needs and then sends the rest through a wastegate... -Wayne
__________________
Wayne R. Dempsey, Founder, Pelican Parts Inc., and Author of: 101 Projects for Your BMW 3-Series • 101 Projects for Your Porsche 911 • How to Rebuild & Modify Porsche 911 Engines • 101 Projects for Your Porsche Boxster & Cayman • 101 Projects for Your Porsche 996 / 997 • SPEED READ: Porsche 911 Check out our new site: Dempsey Motorsports |
||
![]() |
|
Montana 911
|
maybe that's why I had such a hard time getting fuel to the pump when connected it up after the clutch replacement...so I opened the fuel tank cap and pushed air into the tank until fuel flowed to the pump. Once the pump was primed and the lines connected it worked fine.
__________________
H.D. Smith 2009 997.2 S 3.8 PDK 2019 Ford Ranger Lariat FX4 Baby Raptor 2019 Can Am Renegade 1000R XC 2020 Yamaha YFZ450R |
||
![]() |
|
![]() |