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question about 916 part numbers

Iím sure Grady, Warren, or hezaputz will have a quick answer on this one.

What is the significance of the 916 part numbers on the '72 911 oil filter console? Iím assuming this part was either made for or used on the factory 914-6 GT cars. Iíve never seen a -6 in person, but from pics, it looks like the -6 oil tank has a filter console attached to it similar to a non '72 911 oil tank. Were the oil tanks mounted remotely on the factory GT cars? Does anyone have a good shot of a 914-6GT engine bay or oil tank setup?

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Sherman - don't know if this is any use - it's a factory photo showing the (engine-less) engine compartment og a 914-6 GT:

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Found some more pictures- first shows the 2 different versions of the 914-6 GT oil filter consoles - early mag on left & later aluminium on right:



The next one shows the oil filter in situ:

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& this (poor quality) one shows the oil tank area:

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thanks Andy, thats great. so it doesnt look like the tank was mounted remotely in that car or that it used the same filter console as a '72 911.
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heres a shot of my spare '72 911 filter console with the 916 part number



I guess that all of the factory race cars were a little different. Does anybody know if the '72 911 filter console was ever used on a factory -6 GT car? Or is it just a strange numbering convention? The 911 filter console is obviously not the same part that Andy has pictured above.

Andy's pics look like the car uses a -6 oil tank in the standard location. Is that a regualr -6 filter console also?

Im curious as to where the factory would have mounted the oil tank, if not in the standard -6 location. The 916.xxx.xxx.xx filter console above would allow you to remotely mount an oil tank almost anywhere in the car. The standard location seems like the ideal place for weight distribution, but maybe not the best place if radiant heat and oil volume were an issue.

Sorry to be a pain guys. this is not a pressing issue or anything, just curiosity on my part.

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I never got a definitive answer to this question at the time. I had a lot of those parts, including several ď914-6GT KitsĒ from the Factory.

I will speculate they were part-numbered anticipating a 2.4 916 car that they had anticipated building in í72. That way the í72 911 and 916 used much of the same oil system components.

That is good photo-documentation of some of the 914-6GT oil system. Does anyone have photos of a 916 oil system?

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thanks Grady!
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I had a lot of those parts, including several ď914-6GT KitsĒ from the Factory
Grady, I wish I could get a look at your spare parts stash it sounds like youve got some priceless stuff hidden away

What did the GT kits consist of?
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Sherman,

I used to have the parts list for the 914-6GT conversion, it may be here somewhere. It was designed to be able to take a stock 914-6 and convert it, exactly as the Factory did, to a GT. Porsche A.G. tried to homologate the kits as real cars. Of course FIA didnít have any of that.

The ďKitĒ basically consisted of fiber glass body parts, GT engine lid, plastic windows, heated windshield, oil system, chassis reinforcements, seats and interior, and lots of other cool stuff. There were the electrics that mounted on the firewall, 10,000 RPM tach, brakes, struts, reinforced trailing arms, wheels, etc.

It was about a twenty+ page list. I think I gave a copy to Carl Thompson and Arnold Wagner when they were at VP. Iím pretty sure Chuck Stoddard had (has?) a list.


Related, Porsche tried to get a Ď73S engine-only certified for California emissions. Of course CARB wanted to see the entire car. That engine sat in Richie Gintherís shop in Culver City. That engine is sitting here for almost 30 years, unmolested.

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Sherman,

I have a 914/6 spare parts list for competition, March 1970 Edition. Its hard to fully understand because there are no diagrams, but it works.

If i had to guess, I'd say they just happened to work out that yours has 916 part numbers. Its possible that they were going to use the '72 911 remote filter, but decided to go with one like the S.

The 914-6 oil tanks used the same basic 911 ('65-'73) oil filter stand which is a 901 107 025 00. All of the numbers Im seeing have an 914 207 xxx xx, which I'm going to assume as race parts for the oil cooling system like the above two /6GT thermostat/filter consols. Another thing i noticed is in Andyjboy's picture of the guy holding the 914/6GT thermostat, there is another stand on the consol to give the consol enough room to clear the sheet metal. This stand does not look apperent in the two pics of the consols (mag/alum) he has comparing. Any thoughts?

I'm curious if there were any early 911 ('65-'68) oil filter consols with the thermostat. The reason i ask this is because on those early tanks, the two holes that lead from the tank to the oil consol (the lower one is oil in to filter, and middle is out to tank) are in the same position as the 914/6 tanks. On the '69-'73 tanks, they put the oil in on top of the oil out to tank hole. On all the non-thermostated 911's, they just turned the oil filter consol 180 degrees and bolted it on (up-side-down). As for those thermostats, thats unique to the '69-'73 911s. Anyone know about any early('65-'68) 911 thermostats?

Sherman, could you post a few more pics of your '72 filter consol? I'm doing some work on a '72 oil system and would like to see some more angles of the one you've got.
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Don, will do. its actually being modified right now for a thermostat and new fittings so I can add the plumbing and a cooler for the car. i'll post some pics as soon as i get it back.
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So what needs to be modified for your 916 107 028 01 consol to be made into the 028 00? And what else do you do for the extra cooler setup? Do you just add another line for when the thermostat opens to go to the oil cooler and the oil 'in' on the bottom of the tank? So in effect there are two oil in lines on the 72 system. When cold, the oil in is at the top of the tank, and when hot, the oil in is now at the bottom of the tank?
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There is one fitting that needs to be added in place of a plug thats on the T console housing. The inner diamater of the thermostat housing (shown in the above pic) needs to be machiend so that a thermostat will actaully fit in there. Once its done, it should work just like an S housing does. Its a $200-$250 job with the all new AN fittings and a new thermostat if you send it out.
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So what would be the market on a CNC made consol with all metric fittings?
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I have no basis for the following comment, nor do i have a real knowledge of a market for stuff like this, I only know what I think I need for my car

I think you would also need a tank to go along with it. There might be a bigger market for factory style '72 hard lines to a front cooler. Chuck's lines get you real close though, so who knows for sure?

The 4 door T's already have a tank and only need some simple machine work on the console to use a regular engine t-stat. I dont know how cheap you could make a CNC console, but I would not want to be the guy who had to design and manufacture one for less than the cost of modifying a stock '72 console. Then there is the oil line issue. Changing the fittings on the console makes this less of a bear since you can go with cheaper soft lines instead of the factory hard lines.

I love my '72, but adding a front oil cooler to this car is going to be a PITA. It almost makes me want to keep a smaller displacement motor back there.
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Thanks for the input sherman. I'm working on the 72 oil system so that one day i can put it in my 66 R replica. I'm also working on making factory hardlines for this setup to go to a front oil cooler.
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