Carrera GT record at Nurburgring falls

[svandamme]

Originally posted by Kurt B
Those aren't street legal in the US or even close. You want to drive a car that looks like that legally here, it better have been built in 1920. You have to compare apples to apples.

i doubt they are street legal anywhere for that matter

[RickM]

The Radicals are very cool for sure. Saw a few at Watkins Glen...definitely not a street car.

[Luke Hudson]

That is no production car, neither was the specific Radical that attmepted the lap record, as such we should comparing it's time to that of Stefan Bellof's record set in 1983 in a Porsche 956 of 6:25.80, and it's clear the 956 was 40 seconds faster!

The donkervoot has been weighed, measured and found wanting!

by the way when are you guys in the US going to sort out your smaog laws, you didn't sign up to Kyoto so you could continue to pollute the world's air through your factory output, so if you're going to kill the planet you may as well be able to drive a radical, ariel or TVR to work like us in the UK!?!?

Stijn, Radicals and Arieals are both street legal in the UK, I know a guy who drives his radical to work, come rain or shine! (although he does have to wear water proofs and a helmet for weather protection!)

[GFORCED]

Originally posted by mede8er
Very Interesting......HP/Weight ratio is truly a factor...I'm curious how many cars must be produced to declare a 'production' automobile.......

Used to be more than 400 per year. Although I'm not sure if that's still true...

[dickster]

well, they're ok for the track but the street?

no, they look too much like kit cars to me. i don't care how fast they are.

[PorscheGuy79]

I dug into my archives to shed light onto this thread and found what I was looking for. I have the article talking about the Radical SR3 Turbo holding the record on the ring. Let me do my best to scan it in. The lap time stated in the mag was 7:19. The magazine was a Euro one called EVO, it is dated October 2003. Let me see if i can scan it in.

Note, the record is stated for the fastest road car ever, doesnt say anything about production.

[PorscheGuy79]

Okay so the scanner can go to hell....

I will just have to give you the jist of the article myself:

First off, this is not your motorcycle engine powered, run of the mill Radcial. This is the full blow, hold on to your pants, dont show your mother one, this is the SR3 Turbo. It is powered by a transversly mounted 1.5litre turbo motor. It creats a simply mind boggling 320bhp (at 9200pmg) and 213 lb ft. For the people who didnt major in math, thats nearly 600bhp per litre. It will go from not to 60 in 3.2 seconds and on to a top speed of more than 160mph. It weights 525kg and costs almost 50,000 pounds, not bad for a car that is as fast as an Enzo costing quite a bit more. As I stated before at the time of the article being published it held the record for a ROAD car at 7minutes and 19 secs, I think the one for a production car is different. It is a severely cool car IMO.

A Link that I found after writing this:

http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_folder/nordchliefe/index.php

[RallyJon]

What a pile of BiaS. If you want the Carrera GT to hold a record, why not just tailor the class specifically for it? Go on, just make something up.

The CGT is marketed as a very focused, carbon fiber, limited-production car. It's not a mass produced car like a 911. FIA production car standards require 5000/year, which seems pretty reasonable.

Maybe you should expend your energies on asking how fast the CGT would be if it didn't weigh >3000 lbs. Oh, but then the "wealthy older gentleman" demographic wouldn't buy them.

[Speedster94]

It creats a simply mind boggling 320bhp (at 9200pmg) and 213 lb ft. For the people who didnt major in math, thats nearly 600bhp per litre.

SO ? The TAG Porsche Formula 1 Motor had 1.5 Liter and 1100 HP for Qualifying and about 1000 HP for the Race . That was 15 Years ago .
Todays F1 Engines have 2.5 Liter NA , and 950 HP .
harald

[ZLP]

Originally posted by PorscheGuy79
Okay so the scanner can go to hell....

I will just have to give you the jist of the article myself:

First off, this is not your motorcycle engine powered, run of the mill Radcial.

A Link that I found after writing this:

http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_folder/nordchliefe/index.php

That is just a turbo hayabusa motor. It IS a motorcycle engine.... LOL

[PorscheGuy79]

Originally posted by ZLP
That is just a turbo hayabusa motor. It IS a motorcycle engine.... LOL

Sorry, I was thinking back to a different Radical which I believe has a turbo Audi motor which has similar figures, my mistake.

[PorscheGuy79]

Originally posted by Speedster94
It creats a simply mind boggling 320bhp (at 9200pmg) and 213 lb ft. For the people who didnt major in math, thats nearly 600bhp per litre.

SO ? The TAG Porsche Formula 1 Motor had 1.5 Liter and 1100 HP for Qualifying and about 1000 HP for the Race . That was 15 Years ago .
Todays F1 Engines have 2.5 Liter NA , and 950 HP .
harald

But you cant drive those to wallmart. They also cost the budget of a small country and require a team of 7 or so rocket scientists just to run.

[PorscheGuy79]

Jeez, i did everything wrong. Last time I stick my neck out to relay some info.

[araine901]

Originally posted by Luke Hudson


by the way when are you guys in the US going to sort out your smaog laws, you didn't sign up to Kyoto so you could continue to pollute the world's air through your factory output, so if you're going to kill the planet you may as well be able to drive a radical, ariel or TVR to work like us in the UK!?!?

I'll bite.

You must realize that most items that are produced for the US market are not in fact made in the US. China, Vietnam, South America, are the soup de jour. You know, all of the coutries that under Kyoto would not be held to the same standard but would consume the polution credits paid for by less poluting companies in countries like yours and mine. Having spent a great deal of time in Taiwan, China and the like I can tell you our industiral
polutions pailes in comparison to the Kyoto bennifactors.

BTW, its not just the smog laws that hold those cars back. Its the crash standards etc.

[Carl Bauer]

Originally posted by Jim Garfield
Damon of Series 901 has a Radical that he's going to run in the One Lap of America next year. Who was it that used to say " more fun than a barrel of lesbians" ?

I'd love to see Damon's Radical go around that dirt oval during One Lap!

[araine901]

Originally posted by Speedster94
It creats a simply mind boggling 320bhp (at 9200pmg) and 213 lb ft. For the people who didnt major in math, thats nearly 600bhp per litre.

SO ? The TAG Porsche Formula 1 Motor had 1.5 Liter and 1100 HP for Qualifying and about 1000 HP for the Race . That was 15 Years ago .
Todays F1 Engines have 2.5 Liter NA , and 950 HP .
harald

sorry to be a stickeler but they are 3.0 liter motors in F1 for the last several years.

http://www.formula1.com/insight/technicalinfo/11/467.html

[Porschekid962]

Harald I am pretty sure for this year its 3.0 litres NA and next year they are stepping down to 2.4 litre v8's. As far as power think closer to 1000hp, Honda has been spinning their 2.4 into the low 20k's already and making a bit north of 800.

How about the BMW 1.4 litre I4 turbo pushing 1100 in race trim and 1400 in qualifying with intercoolers covered in dry ice and usually blowing up right after a flying lap.

As far as I am concerned who gives a flying hoot what production, road legal, road going car is fastest at the ring. How about my best friends sister's boyfriend/fiance who's father just bought a CGT about 4 months ago, he drives it out of his garage to wash it then it goes right back in. Shoot he even bought a little fuel tank for his house so he doesnt have to take it to the gas station to tank up. Then every now and then you actually see someone driving it on the road that isnt a Porsche tech or prospective buyer test driving it.

bla bla bla

[tshih]

Those Kyoto treaty idiots are asking for everyone to stop breathing as we all exhale carbon dioxide. (Greenhouse gases include besides CO2, SO2, NO2, and other pollutants.) As a realistic scientist CO2 is not a pollutant but the result of pure and complete combustion of the fuel we use as well as the energy we produce to move our human and animal bodies. The planet earth has a complex ecosystem of planktons in the oceans and green plants on land which absorbs CO2 and keeps the overall concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere at around 1%. That is not the cause of "global warming" if there is such a real phenomenon. we may be seeing a different cycle like the ozone hole (another controvercial ecological problem brought about by the pseudo-scientists who doesn't have pure proof that CFC12 actually gets mixed upwards by 30 miles from the ground even though it is substantially denser than air).

[kasi]

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[svandamme]

Originally posted by PorscheGuy79
This is the full blow, hold on to your pants, dont show your mother one, this is the SR3 Turbo. It is powered by a transversly mounted 1.5litre turbo motor. It creats a simply mind boggling 320bhp (at 9200pmg) and 213 lb ft. For the people who didnt major in math, thats nearly 600bhp per litre.

i didn't major in anything,

but 320BHO on a 1.5L engine, that's 210 Bhp per liter
not 600



i suspect you meant to say , nearly 600 HP per ton of weight...