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jwmc1 01-10-2005 06:09 PM

Standard Carrera...the "Turbo Look option started in 1984 and included the Tea Tray Spoiler and the brakes as part of it...as well as 7's and 9's. If this is one then the spoiler was replaced, the whells were changed and the brakes were changed...don't know why anyone would do that...sorry

flyenby 01-10-2005 06:12 PM

NO Drilled rotors, get a certificate of authenticty from PCA NA , that should convince you.............

KatoKato 01-10-2005 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JackOlsen
What part of the VIN is making you think it's an M491? As I read it, you have a 1986 911 Carrera Targa, with US or Canadian delivery.

Yes that option code is not present. And the 911's pictures look dramatically different than mine (the wide flares and tail).

When I decoded the VIN ealier somehow I got out Turbo-look. Most likely my mistake.

Cheers,

jwmc1 01-10-2005 06:47 PM

I have a Tea Tray Spoiler on my car...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1105415257.jpg

KatoKato 01-10-2005 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oh Haha
...Post a pic of your option codes, maybe?:confused:
I checked them. 491 is not present. So I do not have a turbolook .... but I really didn't know exactly how one looks as I've only seen a turbo up close once (this summer)

Cheers,

KatoKato 01-10-2005 07:03 PM

Wheels
 
Ok ... here's what I've learned and/or realized:
1. I have a stock Carrera Targa and not a turbo-look.
2. The tail was added as an option.
3. The original colour of the Targa script is unknown but I
think I prefer the silver as it is over the supposed original
black.

What I don't know:

1. Did the crested Fuchs originally come in matte black finish?
2. Do I really have 7 X 16" rears, 6 X 16" fronts?
(the person who did my appraisal stated 8/7
he's been doing this for 15 years)

P.S. I did not buy this car thinking it was a turbolook. This was a mistake I made after the fact. I also paid well below market value.:)

Jay H 01-10-2005 07:11 PM

Re: Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally posted by KatoKato

What I don't know:

1. Did the crested Fuchs originally come in matte black finish?
2. Do I really have 7 X 16" rears, 6 X 16" fronts?
(the person who did my appraisal stated 8/7
he's been doing this for 15 years)

I can help on item 1: Fuchs rims come in a matte black finish from the factory.

Remember, the 17 digit VIN system will never reveal options on a 911.

I'm a judge on the local concours level. In most concours in my region, originality doesn't really come into play at this level. We only care about how clean and well presented the car is. I've judged some seriously modified cars, and I never deduct points for non factory parts/mods. Again, it depends on how your local concours is set up and what rules are in place.

In more advanced concours competitions, such as certain classes at PCA National level (as you may find at the annual Parade), originality will come into play. Otherwise, just clean it up good and show it.

Jay
90 964

jorian 01-10-2005 07:58 PM

"The first shot is the front right wheel. It's a 7 X 16" on 205/55ZR16
The second is the right rear tire. It's 8 X 16" on 225/50ZR16
As far as the flare goes from what I gathered at out concours this summer I was told that it's midway between the Turbo and Carrera."

Wheels are definately 6's & 7's - tire sizes bear this out - these came stock on your car

The flares are either Turbo's or Carerra - there is no "midway flare"

KatoKato 01-11-2005 12:57 PM

Re: Re: Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jay H
I can help on item 1: Fuchs rims come in a matte black finish from the factory. The painted center caps could be a factory option or are widely available in the aftermarket....
We only care about how clean and well presented the car .......Otherwise, just clean it up good and show it.

Great ... I just wanted to confirm this point regarding the rims.

As far as the painted center caps being a factory option -
If these were in fact ordered for my car would this appear as an option code on my vehicle identification label (VIL) in the trunk?

Also, you may be able to help with the Carrera tail's origin -

Would my car have come with this as is or would it have to be ordered as a factory option?

If so, would this also appear as an option code on the VIL?

Thank you very much for your time,

KatoKato 01-11-2005 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jorian
...Wheels are definately 6's & 7's - tire sizes bear this out - these came stock on your car...
Thank you!...

I'll have to have a word with my appraiser,

Cheers,

Rot 911 01-11-2005 01:00 PM

Painted center caps were not an option.

Argeo 01-11-2005 01:04 PM

Sorry to hijack but all this talk about rear tails has me wondering if the rubber on a Tea tray spoiler can be switched with the flat rubber spoiler? Would it fit on on the base. Mine is like that one on the red car above. I have thinking about going flat.

Thanks,

David

KatoKato 01-11-2005 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kurt V
Painted center caps were not an option.
Cool ... then not original & therefore aftermarket.

Cheers,

KatoKato 01-11-2005 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JackOlsen
[B]What part of the VIN is making you think it's an M491? [B]
Jack,

I finally tracked down where I found the erroneous info regarding my VIN.

During my early searches of the net on 911 VIN's I found this website:

http://www.porschedecals.com/VIN85s911.htm

If you check the series of vehicles with my VIN
WPOEBO918GS16....

It is listed as a "Turbo-look".

I knew that I had read this before somewhere and that's why I automatically thought that I had a Turbo-look Carrera.

I don't feel as stupid as those had me out to be in the initial points of this thread but now only mislead!

Cheers,

TXScott 01-11-2005 01:53 PM

If you're unsure about your wheels, take one off and look at the inside spokes for the size, and assume if you take the front off the back is an inch bigger.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1105483966.jpg Good Luck,
Scott

KatoKato 01-11-2005 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TXScott
If you're unsure about your wheels, take one off and look at the inside spokes for the size, and assume if you take the front off the back is an inch bigger.

Thanks! If I do get them off sometime I'll definitely check.

Cheers,

TXScott 01-11-2005 02:47 PM

SOCAL,
I agree those look like 6's&7's.....But now Kato just learned a little more about his car:D

Jay H 01-11-2005 03:17 PM

Re: Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally posted by KatoKato
3. The original colour of the Targa script is unknown but I
think I prefer the silver as it is over the supposed original
black.

My 1986 US factory sales brochure has one Targa pictured throughout the brochure (full color, 20 some pages). The Targa script is black in these pictures.

The one Targa pictured in my 1987 US factory sales brochure also has a black Targa script. Certainly not an official answer, but at least the factory photographed two of their cars from two model years with black script.

Kurt: Thanks for correcting me on my incorrect posting of painted center caps being a factory option. I confused that with the Fuchs centers being painted as an option... (I made even more confusion for Kato!).

Jay
90 964

KatoKato 01-11-2005 04:33 PM

Re: Re: Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jay H
My 1986 US factory sales brochure has one Targa pictured throughout the brochure (full color, 20 some pages). The Targa script is black in these pictures.

The one Targa pictured in my 1987 US factory sales brochure also has a black Targa script

The reason I've asked this one is because I've seen it on black on two other Targas (at least at our Concours this summer) .

If the sales brochure shows this then it's probably what should be there.

Cheers,

KatoKato 01-11-2005 04:41 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Wheels
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SoCal911SC
The tail and front spoiler would not have come standard on the car, but would have been available as a factory option. It would be one of the "M" series options available...
Here's the pic from the owner's manual:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1105493711.jpg

Doesn't list the tail or spoiler as an option.

Is it possible it was added at the factory and not recorded on the vehicle identification label?
Or could the dealership have added it?

It's an excellent fit and the paint matches exactly (inside and out) ... if it wasn't there originally someone did an excellent job on installing it!

With regard to listed options,
The C36 I think means Canadian delivery,
Everything else seems to check out (except Monterey Radio ... it's long gone)
401 - Light Metal Wheels - How does that option fit in w/ my crested Fuchs?

Cheers,


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