Whats up with this ?? Please read ,

[pjv911]

About 2 months ago a member of this board emailed me and asked if I had any deep 6 (15x6) fuchs available . I answered yes and gave him my phone # . I was feeling good about meeting a fellow member and gave him my address and a time to come down. He beat me up on my price hard . I wanted no less than $250 each and he said over and over that they are not worth that much and could only give me $350.00 for a pair . After dealing with his dry personality and him telling me he needs them for his early S restoration I gave in at his final offer of $375.00 . He paid and left . He offered no friendly conversation nor was he the least bit interested in my cars or projects. I was kinda let down by this but no big deal . Anyways 3 days ago I was going through the ebay listings and noticed my exact wheels this guy purchased up for sale and starting at $550.00 ! Not worth that much he says. I sent him an email as follows

"Dear scylla6,

After beating me up on the price on these wheels I gave in because your a local porsche enthusiest like myself. You said they were for you. I guess I read you wrong . Like I said I could have been paid much more if I listed them on ebay myself. I thought I was doing the right thing. And your the guy on pelican warning the masses about other sellers. Go figure. Kurt "


Of course there was no responce to my email . Here is a link to the auction where he got $660.00 .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4515185417&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

Should I be pissed off ? I just hate being played .

Kurt Williams

[pjv911]

And yes I am 100% positive that those are the wheels he purchased from me. I recognize the nicks on the spokes exactly . Notice his description does not mention them either. Just a real class act .

Kurt Williams

[Zeke]

I am somewhat selective about what I buy and usually ask (especially a local enthusiast, or even more, a Pelican) that if it turns out I don't use the item, should I offer it back for the same money or is it OK to go ahead and sell it to another. Then, I will ususally offer to split any profit less expenses. That hasn't happned as of yet.

Unfortuanately, this is NOT how the world works and is a substantial source of my scorn and acerbic personallity, which appears here frequently.

You've been had, my friend. Welcome to the club.

[Beethoven]

That's just plain nasty.

[pjv911]

So do you think posting this info for all to see is in good character ? Im not that kind of person and often keep my bad experiences to myself. Im just so pissed off that he didnt even respond to me with a bullsiht excuse . At least that I could have tried to believe and felt better . I realize now his ebay name is the same as his pelican name . I dont want to cause any problems for him since there is a very slim chance there is a reasonable explaination like a terminal sickness or something. Should I leave this post ?

Kurt Williams

[KevinP73]

Nobody likes being "played" and there is no reason why you should. It sucks no doubt. You gave this guy a "good deal" and he took advantage of you. Maybe in the future you should reserve your "good deals" to your close buddies where you can sure sure of their intentions.
It's been my experience that most true enthusiasts know what an item is worth and are willing to pay a fair price for it. Everyone loves a good deal but a "good deal" is NOT beating someone up on a price.

[msterling]

I see he sold another similar pair of "deep sixes"for $710 back in November. Also bought a single 15x6 in December for $97. Hmmmm.... I wonder how his resto is coming along.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune. Unfortunately there are some people in this world that will take any advantage of people like yourself with a good soul. Try to think of it like this. That guy is probably a miserable selfish sob inside and leds an empty life trying to take advantage of everyone he meets. Your better than that. His parents made him feel insignificant and unloved as a kid and he has a deep empty hole inside that will never be filled.

[Beethoven]

I must say, of all the instances of irregularities we've heard of in the last months, this one takes the cookie in terms of sheer impudence. There better be a terminal illness somewhere, I see no other reasonable explanation.

[masraum]

Sounds like he was irritating and possibly less than honest, but I think that sort of thing these days must be assumed until otherwise proven wrong. funny, even as a seller these days you have to wonder.

But, I think the important thing is when doing this sort of thing to decide what you want and get it. Once you've got the cash you should be done. You tried to do a nice thing and it didn't work out the way you had hoped. Kharma (sp) will repay you both.

Wow, that was some discount.

How's that saying go? "poopy happens"

I'd be pretty irritated, but mostly at myself for letting them go so cheap to someone who seemed obnoxious in the first place.

[Kurt B]

Yes, you were had.Who?

[pjv911]

Selling them for $375.00 was not what bothered me . I dont need the money . Its the sale on ebay thats got me pissed . Ive given parts away(free) so many times to members of this board and received proper thanks which was enough for me . I figured since they were going on his own car and maybe money was tight for him .... I look foward to his defence once he logs onto the board .

Kurt Williams

[john_colasante]

Very low class. You should not feel bad for posting this. Although no crime was committed, I have seen other "wanted" posts from this character. Now, people will know what he's up to.

[strep]

Yes I to would be very upset. Never protect the guilty. Always show the world who they are so we can protect ourselves. But always remember people like this are the minority. I too am a nice guy and do favors. But there are more good people in the world than bad.
Sorry about your misfortune.

[porschenut]

This is why I don't trust ANYBODY anymore. This is how kindness is typically repaid.

[CarreraS2]

I think that kinda sucks.

Doing a search on his username here shows that 99% of his posts are in the parts and cars for sale sections. So it seems he's here mainly to deal in parts.

I've only sold a few parts on this site, but I've been surprised by the flakiness of a lot of people here. Nothing criminal or major, just general flakiness.

As far as trust - yeah, I'm very wary, too. But there are a LOT of guys here (I could make a long list) that I would trust 100%. For ex., I recently did a deal with Thom (widebody911) and I never had a second of doubt or concern sending him money, or regarding his representations about the parts. There are many, many others here that I would have the same confidence in.

[Jgordon]

With respect to all of the above, I'd hope that this experience doesn't define your views of the people around you, especially in this community. As an enthusiast (and one in your area), I'd hope that you simply exercise greater caution in the future, rather than assuming that everyone is out to make a buck at your expense.

If someone strikes you as being a dick, don't do business with them. There are still a lot of guys around who would like to bull$hit about cars and projects, even without your giving them parts or discounts.

Keep the faith.

[N11Porsche]

If there was some underlying reason why he didn't need the wheels anymore and decided to turn them over, He should have contacted you first. Of course he didn't have to do that but as a human being that would have been the decent thing to do.

Some people only care about themselves and go along in life just doing whatever makes them feel good. Sort of today's "do whatever, if it makes you feel good" mentality.

Your a good guy Kurt, I would be upset too.

[no substitute]

Sorry to hear you got burned for trying to be nice. You were reading his personality correctly as you dealt with this individual. Next time listen to what you hear (from yourself) and stand firm on a fair price. Twenty-twenty hindsight and all that, I realize, but a lesson learned. Into every rain a little life must fall (I know, I like my version better).

[aways]

I'm gonna post someting unpopular here, but here goes.
I've always felt that it's bad business and bad personally to buy or sell anything from a friend. If you sell a friend a car, you'll probably be inclined to sell it for less than it's worth, and then if something unexpected should happen to the car after the transaction, your friend may feel that you knew about the problem and stuck him with a lemon.

Now in this case, you were in effect dealing with the fellow pelicanite as a "friend" of sort, and thus selling your wheels at a sort of discount in anticipation that he'd be appreciative, and in a spirit of the pelicanite community. However, as you describe the transation, the guy did not act friendly at all during negotiations... That should have been a tip off that things were not as you assumed.

Once you agreed to sell the wheels at an agreed upon price, the wheels became his. Period. And he is free to do with them as he wishes without permission or approval from the PO.

In the future, don't settle for a price that you're not willing to feel comfortable with, and once the items(s) are gone, forget they ever existed. And finally, never mix business with friendship... even implied friendship.

All that said, the buyer is not the kind of guy, I'd like to hang with...