Whats up with this ?? Please read ,

[daka]

Always et al: AMEN...
It doesn't take more than one to "sour" you, let it go, as I try to say....next....

[Tooth911]

Ther has been plenty of this type of crap on some members of this BBS.you have the knee jerk reaction on bothsideds of the story.My 2cents worth is found in luke 6:31 "And just as you want people to treat you treat them the same way." Do I always do this? well no I get mad and fall short. but I try to do better next time. I want to see the good in all my pelican buddys would I buy agian from them why Yes!

[pwd72s]

It's been said that no good deed goes unpunished. This is a sad story, one that should be chalked up to experience. But hey, don't let this keep you from continuing with good deeds. I try to trust everybody at face value. But screw me over, and I'll remember it a LONG time. An example...some years ago, a former school mate came to me, wanted me to loan him some $ for a biz idea. The idea sounded good, but I said no. Why? Decades before I'd loaned him money for a school cafeteria punch ticket. He never paid me back.

[copper]

This is the exact reason I requested an "Official Negative feedback" thread to accompany the "Official Positive feedback" thread...

Guy's like this need a kick in the A$$.

Jim

[Mike Kast]

Thanks for posting Kurt. Is there anyone who isn't learning from their mistakes on a daily basis? I hope not. Growth hurts. The truth is as far as I can see, that is a crappy way to go through life, beating people for a couple of hundred bucks all day long every day. Sounds like a sure path to misery to me.

[RPMClassic]

This happens all the time. Sad, but true. I have long believed that helping a true enthusiast out is the right thing to do. Don't compromise your values for the few jerks out there who take advantage of " a handshake deal". Anybody can sell parts on ebay....but part of the enjoyment of these early Porsches is the brotherhood associated with the cars/parts, willingness to educate and assist other club members and the lifelong relationships that can result during the process.

[Wavey]

I don't know, just seems like business to me. No offense, Kurt, but if you weren't happy with $375 then you shouldn't have sold them for that. And after that transaction is done, the guy is free to do what he wants with them. I guess I don't understand the strings attached to some transactions. You sold them because you no longer had a need for them, and when you sell them you don't own them anymore. But you still want to control what happens to them. They belong to him now and he can throw them in the river if he wants.

On the other hand I agree that the buyer has acted less than honorably. I wouldn't want to do business with a guy like that.

But the bottom line is that any parts are just a commodity. They have a certain market value. If you believe they're worth more then hold out for it. If you sell them for less then live with it.

[nikita76]

In all my dealings with Kurt he has always been upfront, fair, and very knowledgable. There will always be people out there looking to exploit a situation, but Kurt is passionate about the hobby that we've all involved ourselves into and the enthusiasts that he interacts with.

some people suck!
Sorry Kurt,

Nikita

[Shuie]

Kurt, you are one of the good guys here. I hate hearing about stuff like this. Im surprised though. Ive sold fuchs to the same guy before without any issues.

I sold scylla6 a set of four flat 15x6 with yokohoma tires for $600 about a month ago. I wonder if they will show up on ebay. He didnt beat me up on the price and I honestly didnt think $600 was a steal for the wheels/tires. he paid very promptly and was nice over the phone as well. He is an Early S member, so I figured he was doing a restoration, not flipping parts. He didnt say what he was going to do with them and I didnt ask.

Ive bought and later re-sold some parts for a profit here before. Ive lost a lot more money than Ive made selling parts, and Ive never bought something with the intention of flipping it here for a profit. I dont do this for a living and I dont have the time for all that stuff. If someone else does, good for them. If I cant use it, it gets sold for whatever I need at the time.

I dont have a problem with a guy making a buck, but I dont sell anything to people who try to beat me up on an asking price for something that I know they are going to flip. Theyve got to be more creative than that if they want my money.

[copper]

It may be just business to the buyer. But it's dirty and unethical.
Obviously, knew he couldn't do "business" if he told Kurt what his real plans were, so he made up the story about needing them for his own restoration.

Plain old dirty. I think Kurt has every right to be upset. AND it affects all of us, as the next guy who really is doing a resto and is light in the pocket from all the work, might not get as good a deal from a once screwed seller...

Jim

[pjv911]

Originally posted by Wavey
I don't know, just seems like business to me. No offense, Kurt, but if you weren't happy with $375 then you shouldn't have sold them for that. And after that transaction is done, the guy is free to do what he wants with them. I guess I don't understand the strings attached to some transactions. You sold them because you no longer had a need for them, and when you sell them you don't own them anymore. But you still want to control what happens to them. They belong to him now and he can throw them in the river if he wants.

On the other hand I agree that the buyer has acted less than honorably. I wouldn't want to do business with a guy like that.

But the bottom line is that any parts are just a commodity. They have a certain market value. If you believe they're worth more then hold out for it. If you sell them for less then live with it.

Wavey, like I said above . It wasnt the $ amount that got me upset . I too sell parts on ebay . I knew their value . I just wanted to help the guy out . I knew I was taking a loss at $375.00 but I was willing to do so for the right reasons .

Kurt Williams

[aways]

Originally posted by Wavey
I don't know, just seems like business to me. No offense, Kurt, but if you weren't happy with $375 then you shouldn't have sold them for that. And after that transaction is done, the guy is free to do what he wants with them. I guess I don't understand the strings attached to some transactions. You sold them because you no longer had a need for them, and when you sell them you don't own them anymore. But you still want to control what happens to them. They belong to him now and he can throw them in the river if he wants.

This is essentially what I was trying to say earlier, but Wavey said it more eloquently than I. I couldn't agree more.
It seems that the vast majority of people registered on the Pelican board are honorable and decent people, but it's naive to assume or expect that all members will fit this description.

[al lkosmal]

It's always ok to buy low-sell high, but hopefully there is a certain karmic attachment to how you go about it. It's not just about cars and parts. Absolutely nothing wrong with this transaction, on a purely business only level, but on a personal level it sucked big time. What goes around comes around. OK, I'll put down the pipe now.

[vash]

sorry kurt, your kindness was taken advantage of. and that is just plain wrong. people suck, welcome to my world.

[strep]

Guys try not to forget we are a sort of brotherhood here. We should have Kurt's back on this end of story. I make a decent living and I would swallow a few bucks for a friend of sorts. I like to keep my most prized possessions in the family, per say. And its not a car for thousands of dollars its a few bucks for wheels. I personally would be livid. Its not cool. And if we would say its OK. I think we are acting a bit cold.

[CarreraS2]

No one is saying the guy doesn't have the right to turn around and sell them for a profit.

But it is slime to lie and tell a fellow enthusiast here on Pelican that you need the parts for your restoration in order to grind down the lowest price, then immediately turn and sell them.

Legally, technically wrong? No. Slimey? Definately.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

this sort of thing really burns me up, it betrays the brotherhood that we all share and is just plain shameful.

I've gotten so many great, amazing at times, deals from fellow board members that it's really our responsibility to pass along the love when we can.

Kurt, remember the two perfect '71 doors I wanted $400 each for, I just sold them in a package deal for $500 for both, cause the purchaser has helped with G9Girl. And we've all given stuff away for free just because someone needs it.

This is one of the greatest communities I've belonged to and when scavengers come in and take advantage of what we've (and Wayne... thanks!) built, it cuts to the core.

I hate flippers! Can you believe I actually got several offers of $800 to $1000 for a set of 8x9x15 Fuchs recently!

My $.02.

[Joeaksa]

Kurt,

I would feel bad as well. Guy sounds like a jerkoff and needs a visit from Guido some night. The Porsche community is a small one and it will come back and haunt him sometime but we just do not need crap like this...

JoeA

[N11Porsche]

To those poster's who said "business is business". I agree BUT the buyer lied about his intentions, to take advantage of a fellow board member. He even played on the fact that he is a fellow Pelicanite.

On occasion will sell at a loss, or give away a bike to someone who otherwise might not have the chance to get involved in cycling. I certainly would stop that practice if I saw one of the bikes on ebay within weeks of trying to help someone out.

There is a difference between a "business deal" and trying to help someone out. Even though Kurt receive a payment, his intention was to sell below the actual worth because of the story he was given by the buyer. Kurt was trying to help a Porsche guy finish a project.

[RoninLB]

I kinda got taken advantage of. It was my own fault. I offered something for free to a routine member that I could have gotten a $100+ for. I figured a pelican friend would need it. I sent it to someone else who jumped on it, a voyeur.