Keep it original or modify it?
 

I have a basic (well with some small mechanical modifications) 1978 sc, and I am thinking of replacing the front and rear with rsr or ruf bumpers. Unfortunately i am in two minds - can not decide if I should keep it as it should be or change it :o( Whilst I do really love the classic sc look, I also like the ruf look. What do you all think????

MODIFY IT!

Me too!
 

I'm stuck with the same emotional struggle

Here is the link from my discussion
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/214208-bumper-swap-what-would-you-do-if-you-were-me.html

I have been recommended against it by a 911 body shop who is currently replacing my front wings. They said it will reduce the value of a great car???

So twobone, what did you do in the end?? I really like both looks, but am worried about changing the classic look of my car

Modify it, a stock SC is worth $10G. A modified SC is worth $10G. If you like it, go for it. Don't worry about its market value, there is not much there.

Keep it stock...SC's will go up in value as time passes and modifications will hurt the price down the road....

I was thinking more - modify the mechanics as much as possible, but keep the look the same - or is this wrong??

I'm thinking of a compromise
 

I may go for this front splitter and a duck tail

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It's not my car....but schweet!

I think it gives a bit of the RUF profile while still maintaining the bumper. I bet it is easier to go back to stock that way

Not sure... I just can not make up my mind, and the car is in the shop whilst we speak!! At the moment I am more on the side of keeping it original (with plans of upgrading to a 2.3 lump)

Make modifications that are reversible. Keep original parts.

To a certain extent all modifications are reversible, but be realistic. If you are talking about welding on RSR flares...that's not really an easily reversible mod. Swapping bolt on parts is.

Treat it like a set of legos. Snap and unsnap - just don't break an individual piece to suit a particular mod.

Hmmmm, thank you for that MikeSid, I already fitted this updated reflector to get fog lights!!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1112808541.jpg :rolleyes:

for the most part all my mods have been felt but not seen, and reversable. i was afraid to touch much on my car at 1st, it was a 25 y/o car with 63K miles. very clean, but hanging around here will cure you of that quickly. my car looks bone stock, except for recent install of race type seats.

i like the suspension, and will like the exhaust work forthcoming, but you'd have to know to notice.

If you're looking for investment options and return on your dollar, buy mutual funds. If you're looking to enjoy your car and please your emotions, modify it in whatever way makes you happy! :D

Dan

I am looking for fun, not an investment......

Make it a super sleeper! Spend the body mod money on getting that motor massaged.

That car looks familiar.
Did you bring it in to where I work a while ago for some alignment and a wheel balance?

If this is the car I remember, I would try to keep it standard or not do anything irreversible because it really is a nice one.

better all original than a 'poser' car..if you go ruf, go ruf all the way..otherwise original.
ryan

MODIFY IT!! BUT Keep the original parts. If you ever decide to sell, you can always put the originals back. and sell the upgrades as options.

Yep change it up make it YOUR car..

Hay 911mot, where do you work? I might have had my care in with you, but do not know??

MODIFY it. Make it yours, make it YOUR dream car.
As said before an SC is a $10k car no matter what... stock or with any mods...

GO WILD!!!!!!

Rickmansworth nr Watford.
I told the driver how to check oil and stuff and also to check out this website..

Hmmmm, I am in Rickmansworth nr Watford (part-time), but it was not me you spoke to :o(

Re: Keep it original or modify it?
 

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You can make it look like mine. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1112815810.jpg

I could... But then it is not an sc :o) BTW - Nice Car!!

Its a shame to hack a nice original car..ask the 356 guys. I've got the same vintage and I am the second owner for the last 20 years. I try very hard to keep it the way it was, at least on the surface. The 3.0 is now a 3.2 SS..it has footwell blowers where there weren't ones. But it still looks like a 78. The people on this board are evil, yep,evil doers[ can't remember what jerk coined that term]. They will lead you down the path of modification. You think your tough and you can handle it..just one hit for the rush..maybe a ruf valance. But you will soon be pimping your wife for the cash to feed your habit. Take the high road, keep it stock. Your wife will thank you.

My opinion is: if you intend to keep the car until you die or its totalled, modify it to your heart's content. If you think you'll sell it on, if there's another Porsche you hope to switch to somewhere down the line, and - most important - if your mods are cosmetic rather than performance related, leave the car alone. Flares on your 911T with 3.6 for wider tires so you can do better on the track = good. Flares on your 911T with 2.2 because you wish you had a turbo = not good.

Emanuel

I totally agree with this statement. I came here with a nice totally stock 88 Carrera just 1 year ago...

In a couple of weeks my car will look like a 934, will have a 3.6 engine and 9.5' and 11' wheels...

If you are weak the dark side will seduce you... and then there is no turning back.

In the infamous words of MikeZ - A stock car sucks. Make it yours - there are lots of improvements for 70's and 80's technology.

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And if everyone were to become stock freaks, Pelican Parts would be out of business.

I am thinking that for now I will retain the original sc look, and upgrade the mechanics. After all I got the sc, as I really like the way it looks.

Paal,

It's your car. Plenty of SC's around so why not make it a bit personal? Removing the bumpers is easy and should you later in life regret you just put the car back to standard.

Now that's was easy.

I did the same. Bought SC, then replaced bumpers, did the brakes, then the suspension, oh and the seats. Then we did the wheels and the motor, then gearbox and so it went. Today the car is MINE (actually it's for sale) and it will never be an SC again.

But it is really the best 911 in the world.

SO - just change the bumpers.

Regards

Tom

Thank you Tom, do you have any pic's of your SC??

Tom MY 911 will be the best 911 in the world :D :D :D

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Trust me - this car was 100% original in '99. Today only the windscreen and the colour (stickers are gone) is standard!

Stretching the theme maybe - but awsome and fun. Trust me, this car will eat most.

Regards
Tom

I recently sold my boxster to try a 911...Since I couldn't afford the year/options I wanted, I got the best I could afford and am slowly (as the wallet & wife will allow) adding modifications to get it where I want....
I have an 84 3.2 targa that is getting:
C2 body updates (half done)
993 door panels (gong in this weekend)
boxster seats (already in, love them)
S. Wong chip (already in, wow!)
I am going to convert it to a cab in a few weeks....(as soon as I learn how to weld)

All ideas I have either gotten or learned how to do from the esteemed knowledge base found on this board....(thanks)
The way I figure it, as long as the work is all done professionally and top notch, it shouldn't affect the value much..

Chris

Hi Tom, where in the world are you (that does not look like a US reg to me??) I have tried to locate the same style front bumper and valance, and can only find suppliers in the US - can you point me to a supplier in Europe?

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You gonna have to do more than that to beat this one.

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83' Porsche 930 turbo euro 450rwhp@1bar (dyno tested and tuned)

Air cooled engine (flat 6)

Motor rebuild by Poudre Sports Car, 86k miles on the chassis and 23k on the motor
3.3L 7:1 compression, 91-92' C2 turbo Mahle fully finned cylinders
Cylinders thermal coated
Piston tops ceramic coated
Skirts dry lubed
OEM SC cams
New rocker arms
Rod bolts, raceware hardware
Head studs, raceware hardware
New timing chains and latest chain tensioner upgrade to 84' design
Billet sump plate with new drain plug
Smart Racing solid motor mounts with modified trans. mount
New alternator/belt and brushed shroud and fan blade
New exhaust valves

Ignition

New Beru spark plug wires
New Beru S9 spark plugs
New rotor and cap
Distributor re curved by Jerry Woods

4spd manual transmission/clutch/shifter

Rebuilt transmission also by Poudre Sports Car, 12k miles ago
8:39 Ring and Pinion (David Brown) done by Carquip
40% LSD with SWEPCO 210 transmission fluid
WEVO 930 shifter with race knob and leather shift boot
Smart Racing shift coupler and bushings
Hi torque starter
KEP Stage II pressure plate
993 disc and new stock flywheel
New clutch cable
Rebuilt drive axles with new boots

CIS Fuel System

Fuel injectors balanced by C&C Fuel Injection
Euro fuel head (more fuel than the US one) rebuilt and for 17% more fuel
Both fuel pumps replaced
WUR modified with use of an MSD rpm activated switch (with rpm modules) for on boost fuel enrichment
Surge filter for the fuel cutoff switch

Air intake/Turbocharger

Power flow intake
Ram/Cold air intake to turbo done by Redline Motorsports
Kokeln racing IC with billet CBV
Throttle body plate knife edged
Manifold Extrude Honed
Injector blocks tapered to match manifold ports
Modified Kokeln turbo, 60-1 compressor wheel with a .71 A/R, 360 deg. thrust washer and Stage V turbine
TIAL 46mm wastegate with a .6bar spring
Water mist system that sprays IC from the headlight washer spray switch inside
Modified AAR for better idle when cold

Exhaust

GHL headers with heat and aftermarket sump (new silicone heater hose)
Dual look 3" Fabspeed muffler with wastegate pipe and 4.5" oval tips

Oil cooling

14 quarts of Mobil 1 oil
Aftermarket oil cooler between the oil tank and engine oil cooler
Cool collar for oil filter
Elephant Racing finned supply line to front mounted oil cooler
Kokeln Racing oil cooler, had to be repaired
Spal fan for Kokeln oil cooler, for light switch inside used to turn fan on/off
Ducting through port where the fog light was
Horns relocated to under drivers side fender
Water mist system that sprays oil cooler from the headlight washer spray switch

2nd Gen. Big Brakes

New front and rear rotors
Front and rear PAGID sport blue pads
Stainless steel brake lines
OG Racing front cool brake kit with Smart Racing deflection shields
ATE Super blue brake fluid
Removed front and rear brake dust shields for more cooling

Suspension

Kokeln racing front strut brace
Front and rear Sander Eng. Torsion bars 22/31mm
Rear sport shocks
86-89' front and rear sway bars with new buushings
Tarrett Eng. Rear drop links
Suspension alignment and corner balanced with load checker, 38/62%

Wheels/tires

Sumitomo HTR Z fronts 225/45/17, rears 255/40/17
Mille Miglia 17" Cups, fronts 7.5", rears 9" with aluminum Porsche crest center caps

Interior

AJ USA sport steering wheel and hub with manual rack and pinion steering
Porsche aluminum door handles
RECARO Speed line seats
WEVO shifter and boot already mentioned
Greddy Profec-B boost controller
Westach vac./boost and EGT gauge
Andial IC temp gauge
UEGO 1000 A/F wide band
CD player with front and rear speakers
Matching Porsche crest on glove box door.
Turbo door sills
Up front an Odessey PC-680 battery with a Hela cut off switch
Upgraded headlight bulbs to 80/100 watts
Power windows
Power mirrors
Power sunroof
Leather interior
Alarm system

Wide body

Original paint, Burgandy color with rock guards
Whale tail
Front 86-89' lower valance with fog lights removed
Bra (black) and car cover (grey)
Chip near drivers door handle on quarter panel

Special tools

12 point/12mm flywheel socket
Engine/transmission jack adaptor
Valve adjustment tool
Fuel tank plug drain tool (custom made)
CIS fuel pressure tester
Jack pad
Tool kit with jack
Clutch disc alignment tool

What the car needs or what doesn't work

The glove box light won't light when the headlights are on and you open the glove box (no plans on fixing)
Headlight washer spray and windshield wiper spray won't work due to the water mist system now in place
As well the washer reservior has been removed to clear the front drivers tire from rubbing
There is no spare tire, the water bag for the water mist system is there
Fog lights don't work because they have been removed and the switch used for the oil cooler fan (already mentioned)
Ignition switch needs replaced (going bad)
Valve adjust, oil and filter change
Note: Emissions test needs done if sold (there are no emissions on the car but I will get it passed)

ONly way i would keep it untouched if there were no damages ( ie crashed car ) , documented history from day 1, and i would be 2nd owner.
Other wise i would/will change it to suit me and my tastes.
go for the mods!