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Good, inexpensive DE brake pads?
From now on my 86 Carrera will be used about 40% on the street, and 60% DE (no autocross). I plan to use Metal Masters on the street, but I'm not sure what the best choice is for DE pads. I know Pagid Orange is usually recommended, but I don't want to pay that much. What pads would be a step up from OEM, but not cost more than, say, $75 per axle? Again, these would be used only for track events. Opinions?
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05-24-2005, 06:40 PM
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Ferodo 2500's.
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05-24-2005, 06:43 PM
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I agree. They're easy on rotors and have excellent bite. Just get some heat in them before exceeding 7/10ths.
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05-24-2005, 06:55 PM
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Mike,
I use Ferodos on my cars, and a few of our clients use them too. I've never had any issues with cold Ferodos, nor any of our clients. Can you tell us more of your experience? |
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05-24-2005, 08:11 PM
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I use Porterfields. They're less than half the price of Pagids.
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05-24-2005, 08:31 PM
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Porterfields here as well...
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05-24-2005, 08:37 PM
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Porterfields R4s here. Buy them from a PCA guy named Pete Tremper that sells them here on the east coast under the name Kool Kevlar.
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05-24-2005, 09:05 PM
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I used almost every conceivable pad for my Carrera prior to switching to Pagids. Porterfields are the best bargain (and all the other names it goes by) but I think they are still more then $75/axle? They don't have the bite that Hawk Blues did (nor the rotor wear). I particularly didn't get than much wear out of the Porterfields.
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05-25-2005, 04:07 AM
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If a pad lasts half as long as Pagids but still costs more than half as much it wouldn't be a bargain would it? Remember to compare cost per event when deciding.
Good brake cooling will increase the life the pads and pay for itself. -Chris
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05-25-2005, 04:15 AM
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I have used Hawk blues and the wear is very evident. How much are Performance Friction? (Is that the correct name?) I think they are not too expensive and have a good rating. Do a search on the right name, You will find some info here.
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05-25-2005, 06:33 AM
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Scenario: Let's assume I do about 15 track days per year. Each day consists of 3 or 4 20 minute runs. I'm not very experienced but drive very agressively on Kumho Victoracers. I'm currently using the OEM pads. I'm looking for a reasonably priced pad that will increase my stopping power over the OEM pads (which I've been told are quite good, BTW). Over the course of the season, would I be spending significantly more on Pagid Orange than on the Ferodos, taking wear into consideration? Also need to consider the frequency of rotor replacement. I don't want pads that will eat them up. What about Mintex? Pelican calls Mintex an "upgrade", but are they really better than OEM? BTW, for my car the front Ferodos are $135. |
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05-25-2005, 06:50 AM
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Pagids last longer...but they are harder on the rotors. It's all about physics...something has to give...wear.
...we've also provided PF-97's to happy clients...the PF's are marginally more race oriented than teh Ferodo 2500. Last edited by MotoSook; 05-25-2005 at 07:06 AM.. |
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05-25-2005, 06:54 AM
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$135 for Carrera Ferodos?
Do you have big calipers? I pay ~75 for those and that's up significantly from last year. thanks for starting this thread, BTW |
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05-25-2005, 07:15 AM
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I always use PFC-97s or Pagid Orange... I can't stand the hawk blues... they have no initial bite at all, can't stand up to much heat... I'd take a ferodo street pad over them anyday (I'm mad at them obviously because I just came back from a DE where I was forced to use them).
You can solve almost any rotor-wear problem by spending $50 more per rotor and going with frozen rotors. all of our cars and customer cars have seen 3-4 times more rotor life, not just double when using the frozen rotors on the track.
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05-25-2005, 07:22 AM
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Porterfield R4...$99 front / $89 rear on my Carrera. No obnoxious wear on the rotors after 3 DE's.
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05-25-2005, 07:49 AM
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I've been using DS-2500's for track events only. On the warm-up lap, and the first full speed lap, there is noticably less bite coming into turn 10 off the back straight at Road Atlanta. If you're not ready for it, it'll leave a spot on the front seat. Now I drag the brake pedal a bit on the warm-up lap and that seems to minimize the pucker factor. This is on a 2800 lb Carrera with 930 brakes all around (and cooling ducts up front). FYI
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05-25-2005, 07:53 AM
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Have any of you guys experienced glazing on those Ferodos? i have and another guy i know has too. Presents as a warped rotor but it's not
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05-25-2005, 07:57 AM
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I see your point Mike. There is a difference between hot and cold grip on the ferodos, but when you mentioned cold issues, I thought it was more of a low grip on the street when the brakes don't get to heat up so much...did that come out right (clear)? That is...it's relative..small for the Ferodos than for the PF-97's...
...you guys see the trend yet?  John, I've haven't had glazing issues...is this after proper bedding and after some use? |
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05-25-2005, 08:07 AM
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Porterfields r4s here too. Quiet on the street - heat um up and they bite good, negligible wear, minimal dust.
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