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twobone 05-27-2005 07:21 PM

Opinions - Is it wrong to be a poser? - also paging MikeZ
 
OK, to put it in perspective, I love in Toronto...where the level of pre-996 P-Car ownership is very low so I don't think there are too many purists to question my homage to the P-Cars of the past

Also, don't get me wrong, I love my 911SC.

But if I add a ducktail and then a Carrera script to the side and maybe a Carrera RS sticker on the ducktail....and maybe a set of Carrera RS floor mats.....am I a chump?

Paging Mike Z......Have a look at my car, how do you think it would look with a black Carrera side stripe? Is my dark blue too dark for the Carrera script or do you think it will look nice & subtle?

twobone 05-27-2005 07:31 PM

oops, here are the pics
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1117247409.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1117247434.jpg

das908kind 05-27-2005 07:43 PM

First of all, very cool colour. What's it called?

Secondly, just do it!! You'll bring a bit of California flavour to Ontario and be the only one doing it.

Oh Haha 05-27-2005 07:44 PM

My .02.
It is your car to do with what you choose. Who cares what someone else thinks? As long as you are not trying to pass it off as a real RS, I don't see an issue. Mine is kind of a mix of semi-lightweight, race car yet with a few amenities. Not even close to original and probably never will be again.
BTW-I am not a big fan of Targas but yours is a nice one. I'd add a ducktail and call it good.:D

Shuie 05-27-2005 07:46 PM

Just dont do it. Maybe the Duc, but not stripes. That car is gorgeous the way it is.

azasadny 05-27-2005 07:49 PM

Your car is beautiful! Do with it as you wish, but I'd leave it just as it is!

Zeke 05-27-2005 07:50 PM

At first, I didn't think the black would work. And you didn't ask me anyway, but I think it will. Are the headlight rings to stay black? Are they sort of a matt black? You could ask Mike if he has material that is not glossy.

You could also trim the duck out in a matt black outline ala the Carrera and Turbo tails. I don't think anyone is doing that yet either.

curlesw 05-27-2005 07:56 PM

That is a GREAT looking car. I added Carrera script to my car, liked it for about a week, then took it off...didn't seem right. A duck would great, I have one and it think balances the car out better...IMO.

v/r
Wayne C.
83 SC

twobone 05-27-2005 07:59 PM

Prev Owner painted it:

Mauritius Blue (BMW colour) code #287

mjshira 05-27-2005 08:02 PM

IMHO I wouldn't do the script. the duck is fine. But the early car look just doesn't always transfer to the impact bumper cars and the RS is one of the most unique of all P-cars.

You have a nice ride. Make it unique and ignore anyone trying to claim that "pure" judgement position.

sammyg2 05-27-2005 08:02 PM

The following is just my opinion and worth just slightly less that 2 cents, take it for what it's worth:

It is wrong to pretend you have something you don't. case in point, last saturday a guy showed up in a Ruf, turns out it was a 996 that he spent a fortune on and badged it as a Ruf, just so he could pretend to have something he didn't. It was still a very nice car and I would love to have it, but if it were mine I'd rip the RUF badge off of it.

But.... if you have a reproduction or a clone, it is a different story. A clone is basically a tribute to the original and as long as you don't present it as anything more than a clone, thats OK.
IMO a clone doesn't have to be 100% correct, the look is OK, as long as you don't pretend it is the real thing.

A ducktail on an SC is cool, almost nostalgic.
i like that. But when you start putting RS stickers on your car and it isn't a long hood, you lost me.
I hate bogus stickers, reminds me too much of the 16 years olds running around in hondas.

rattlsnak 05-27-2005 08:08 PM

There a tons of pre 996 P-cars in TO. DO you belong to PCA? Its Upper Canada Region there and they have alot of track events,AX, etc. Thats where you'll see the "cool cars".

http://www.pcaucr.org/pcaucr/site/home.jsp

Joe Bob 05-27-2005 08:08 PM

Since the SC is a SUPER Carrera...I don't see the problem. As to RS badges....well, mine is in the process of a backdate....so still don't see a problem.

As to the RS clones.....my 3.6 powered SC cabriolet kicks their butts...weighs about the same since I have lightened it.....

That's my story and I'm sticking to it....


As to vinyl side scripts....I can do anything ya want....

On YOUR car.....silver would be nice and understated.

Joe Bob 05-27-2005 08:11 PM

But black would be nice...

Zeke 05-27-2005 08:13 PM

Jeez, Sam, he doesn't want to own a fake RUF, he just wants to put some graphics on the car. Lots of 911s were called Carreras.

I'll agree with you on the RS part, though. That's a bit beyond generic. I'll send you the .02, now. ;)

no substitute 05-27-2005 08:20 PM

Less is more. Looks super as is.

sammyg2 05-27-2005 08:25 PM

I just threw out my opinion, i didn't say it was right ;)
Carrera decals are OK on an SC (don't know why you would want to downgrade) IMO, but RS is something special and pushes the limit and doesn't belong on anything except an RS or an RS clone.

I wonder what would happen if I put a 917 sticker on my car?

Paul K 05-27-2005 08:29 PM

Love the matching color targa bar. Sweet ride!

Cheers,

Paul.

450knotOffice 05-27-2005 08:38 PM

Paul,

Here's a blue example of what you want to do. I think it looks great! This belongs to Sushinav. Notice he took off the rocker panels and added the script. Remember what SC stands for - Super Carrera - so the sticker would not be a lie.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1117248208.jpg

Lukesportsman 05-27-2005 08:46 PM

I'm not shy about straying from the herd. I'd go with a duck for the fun, maybe even getting a second grill to keep original intact. I'm not sure of RS with the rockers and impacts.

I'm with Paul, really like that color with matching targa bar......really a coupe guy, but your's makes me rethink that a little. How about just PORSCHE in a black to match your trim.

Bob's Flat-Six 05-27-2005 09:13 PM

Your SC is looking pretty good as it sits. You might want to get the headlight rings color matched though.
The duck tail and the Carrera script you could try. If your going to get a color match for the tail have them at least spray a spare set of headlight rings so you have them.

I'm also wondering if the tail and graphics work better on a solid color car? Your looks metallic ?

As far as the RS stuff goes..... http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/...ool_shades.gif

no substitute 05-27-2005 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sammyg2
The following is just my opinion and worth just slightly less that 2 cents, take it for what it's worth:

It is wrong to pretend you have something you don't. case in point, last saturday a guy showed up in a Ruf, turns out it was a 996 that he spent a fortune on and badged it as a Ruf, just so he could pretend to be something he wasn't. total poser.

But.... if you have a reproduction or a clone, it is a different story. A clone is basically a tribute to the original and as long as you don't present it as anything more than a clone, thats OK.
IMO a clone doesn't have to be 100% correct, the look is OK, as long as you don't pretend it is the real thing.

A ducktail on an SC is cool, almost nostalgic.
i like that. But when you start putting RS stickers on your car and it isn't a long hood, you lost me.
I hate bogus stickers, reminds me too much of the 16 years olds running around in hondas.

I agree, and again, that is a great looking car as is.

Bobboloo 05-28-2005 02:28 AM

Do what ever floats your boat. I like the car just the way it is. Great color.

P.S. I'd much rather have a 911T that looks like a T with a RS motor in it instead of a 911T that looks like a RS with a T motor in it. Not that there's anything wrong with a T motor for that matter. I'm a big fan of them actually.

Mikkel 05-28-2005 03:21 AM

Your car is pretty, why change it?

AFC-911 05-28-2005 07:45 AM

I'll suggest just going for a ducktail, BUT make sure you keep the original. Just change them out to suit your mood.

I'm not sure about the script, although your car might end up proving me wrong, I think that it would look better without.

Joe Bob 05-28-2005 07:46 AM

Nice thing about vinyl....if you don't care for it...it peels right off.

oneblueyedog 05-28-2005 08:17 AM

It might be cool to do a side script cut from a color that is just a tad lighter than your paint for a subtle accent.

Look at RUF bumpers and side treatments too, along with a tail to match. I think these enhancements clean up the car's lines. They may also help with aerodynamics. There is some kind of ran gutter spoiler that cuts some CD points off at high speed.

There was the Special Wishes program at Porsche.

If I had the cash now my wishes would be:

Ruf front and rear bumpers.
side skirts from a Carrera2/4.
appropriate tail
huge oil cooler for the front bumper
ruf wheels- tires to go with them
de-chrome(my car came with chrome trim)
mega squirt
front poly bronze
upgrade the interior to a lighter scheme (all Porsche parts though)

So what if someone cries poser. It's fun. Save the old parts if the market demands original cars at resale. Remove the new and reinstall the old before sale.

I kept my cookiecutters for originality's sake. They are stacked in the garage.

Joe Bob 05-28-2005 08:31 AM

I do have a light blue as well.

dsdw40 05-28-2005 08:37 AM

as good as your car looks, i'm not so sure i'd want to mess with too much. put me down for the duck & leave the rest as is. oh yeah, i'd get a duck w/lid & save the original as someone here has previously mentioned

SCWDP911 03-10-2007 07:18 AM

What about adding an S in front of the Carrera? then shift the graphic rearward just a hair to realign it properly. Just a thought. I do not think Super Carrera would fit! Anyone seen anything like this before. I think I remember seeing someone say they had a seen a super carrera script somewhere?

JohnKo 03-10-2007 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sammyg2
The following is just my opinion and worth just slightly less that 2 cents, take it for what it's worth: It is wrong to pretend you have something you don't... I hate bogus stickers, reminds me too much of the 16 years olds running around in hondas.
I can think of one glaring exception, albeit a little off track... I still chuckle about the bone stock red Fiero with the small Ferrari prancing horse stickers on the front fenders!

peritus 03-10-2007 08:26 AM

beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
 
The great thing about decals is that they peel off... with a bit of elbow grease as long as they aren't on for a long period of time.

There are many different graphics materials you can use these days. 3M and Avery have made some surprising advancements.

Do what you want to your car to make it look cool. Just make sure it's not permanent so that you can bring it back to plain-Jane if you ever decide to sell it.

No harm done!

peritus 03-10-2007 08:29 AM

BTW, it looks ***** hot the way it is...

Wickd89 03-10-2007 09:55 AM

Nice looking car but you should do what you like (always)

I have seen the same car Scott posted from Socal and I loved it; although it was a coupe and not a targa.
Ducktails on SCs are great.....

berettafan 03-10-2007 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 450knotOffice
Paul,

Here's a blue example of what you want to do. I think it looks great! This belongs to Sushinav. Notice he took off the rocker panels and added the script. Remember what SC stands for - Super Carrera - so the sticker would not be a lie.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1117248208.jpg


Awesome car! Love it!

Quicksilver 03-10-2007 10:09 AM

I think the rule here is the only real cardinal sin is to pretend to be a poser. . .

450knotOffice 03-10-2007 03:23 PM

Yea, Sushinav's car is stunning in person.

Also, has anyone noticed this is a two year old thread?

911pcars 03-10-2007 05:39 PM

"....as long as you don't present it as anything more than a clone, thats OK. "

Does a decal that says "RS" equate to anything less than presenting it to be something it isn't? Or does it have to be an outright verbal claim?

"Sir, is that a real RS?"

"Err, no, not really".

"Oh, then I suppose it's okay."

Same with the Carrera stripes. It might be a Super Carrera, but it's not a Carrera or an RS which the side logo signifies. BTW, can someone point to Porsche literature that says SC stands for Super Carrera? I don't know.

Here's a '76 Mustang II with some pedigree striping. What is this trying to say?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1173576895.jpg

Install the ducktail. If you didn't realize it yet, it's functional. As a bonus, it looks good too (MHO).

But to each his own.

Sherwood

mjshira 03-10-2007 05:51 PM

Re: Opinions - Is it wrong to be a poser? - also paging MikeZ
 
Quote:

Originally posted by twobone
OK, to put it in perspective, I love in Toronto...where the level of pre-996 P-Car ownership is very low so I don't think there are too many purists to question my homage to the P-Cars of the past

Also, don't get me wrong, I love my 911SC.

But if I add a ducktail and then a Carrera script to the side and maybe a Carrera RS sticker on the ducktail....and maybe a set of Carrera RS floor mats.....am I a chump?

Paging Mike Z......Have a look at my car, how do you think it would look with a black Carrera side stripe? Is my dark blue too dark for the Carrera script or do you think it will look nice & subtle?

Everyone has a different view, in my view, those changes wouldn't look right on your car. But, it is your car. You have to make it what you want it to be. That is what makes it cooler than a new 996/997 that anyone with a checkbook and funds can buy. What makes this hobby what it is, in my view is when guys go out and build a car to their own vision.

So build your car to your vision and the hell with me or anyone else that questions the changes you make :cool:

stormmaster 03-10-2007 06:20 PM

I was tossing around similar issues....I added a Duck tail....decided against the side graphics....and had a new tail graphic designed using an original RS logo with a twist.....it is hard to read in the photos....but is says "Carrera 3.2"
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1173579584.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1173579606.jpg


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