Part found inside driver door - What is it?
 

1986 carrera turbolook purchased a few weeks ago. One day while putting down the window (electric windows), I heard something snap and clank. I thought for sure that the window was broke, but it was not. Yesterday I pulled off the door panel and found this item in the bottom of the door.
Can anyone tell me what part of the door it belongs to?
The car has electric windows, central locking, and alarm system.
It looks like the piece was at one time pressed into something metal, and then rolling the window down yanked it out from its intended position.
Thank you for any assistance you can provide.
BesideTheBox
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1122436327.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1122436356.jpg

its a pivot spring retainers,...... 32.00

it does need to be replaced, your window will fail soon enough.

I had that in the bottom of my door too.. I thought that it was from the door lock, something probably replaced by the PO ages ago..
(the vw door locks looks imiar to this broken piece, and are notorious for snapping):p

So, what does 'pivot spring retainer' do? since my door panel is still off

I found the same part. Does anyone have a part number? I did a search at Pelican but did not find it. Any pictures of where it goes?

Thanks

It retains the pivot spring in its rightful place...

im not sure pelican carries them i was looking too, nuthing!

performance products carries them!

the reason i know, my wrench has my door apart as we speak, i just ordered a new today "tuesday", if they break off it will make the window stick or tough to roll up/down!

I carry everything that Performance Products carries. That what that toll-free number is in the upper corner of your screen - just call one of our sales guys...

1-888-280-7799

-Wayne

So I didn't ask for enough information. Now I know what the part is called, but I still don't have any idea where the part goes. Can someone tell me where the part goes? I have the porsche CD with all of the parts diagrams on it, but I cannot find a pivot spring or its retainer.

Thank you.

BesideTheBox

I had this same issue last year. Check out this post I made...Sean's response helped me understand. In my case, I never did replace anything (it must have been replace by a PO earlier), since my 'coiled spring' seemed intact, and I've never had an issue w/ my window. Hope this helps...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/187331-can-someone-identify-window-door-part.html

Here's another thread:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/191734-what-part.html

Wayne - you might want to put (additional) info on the site -- "call for items not listed!" Maybe:

IF (search results empty)
THEN write phone call msg.

Anyone?

Where is the window regulator pivot spring or coil spring located in the door? I've looked and haven't been able to find it. I have the Porsche PET electronic catalog, and I don't see a coil spring in their diagram either.

Thank you for any help you can provide.

BesideTheBox

I would look up door or window - use the binocular icon to do a search -- from there you'll have to scrutinize the parts diagram.

and maybe it isn't a _coil_ spring - tho I'd expect it to be

also
call Pelican and see if they can help
and as a last resort... dealer parts guy

Found it. The window regulator coil spring is between the 3 arm regulator and the inside skin of the door approximately 2 inches back from an oblong inspection hole, and slightly forward of the "relay lever" for the inside door handle.

I can see the rectangular hole where the pivot spring retainer is supposed to go, but I couldn't get a decent picture of it.

If you are lucky, when the pivot spring retainer gives way, the pivot spring catches on a bolt that holds the regulator to the inside skin of the door. This is what happened to me. But those of you that have a rattling regulator (like mine), the rattle is because the pivot spring is not applying enough pressure to the pivot arms and one of them is moving back and forth within one of the channels. The movement is only about 1/16th of an inch, but it is enough to cause quite a rattle, especially with the door panel removed.

So order up a new set (may as well do both) of pivot spring retainers.

Thank you for the help.

BesideTheBox

Perspective shot:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1122607798.jpg

Looking up at the pivot spring from the ground:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1122607824.jpg

Looking back at the pivot spring as it is caught on the window regulator retaining bolt.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1122607836.jpg

This part transmits the load from the helper spring to the window regulator. If you do not replace it, you could burn out the window motor, or strip the gears.

Pet diagrams don't show this part, because it is not intended to be serviced. It is rivited in place.
It is however a common failure part, so there is stronger replacements made. There are a couple of different sizes, and slot orientations.

This will be a very helpful thread for others who are, ah, burdened with elec. windows.

Are you insulting those of us who drive pigs (...er, I mean Carreras) :)? Nice pics BTB...great info for the archives. I can see (in your case), where the coiled spring is detached, whereas mine was/is intact, and either I've been very lucky (or indeed, a PO has already had it replaced). Midlife, a question for ya...if my window still functions perfectly, the coiled spring 'appears' to be in place, and I have no rattles whatsoever, in your opinion, am I still susceptable to the potential problems you refer to? Thanks all!

My first-hand experience is only with manual window. With the spring pivot broken, the window still goes up and down, it just requires a lot more force. My drivers window had been used for some time in this condition, and the gears wore to the point that they would skip. The entire regulator had to be replaced. The passenger window only required the pivot.
The pivots are not hard to replace (other than getting the regulator out of the door). You just grind off the upset part of the old one, and pean in the new one.

After looking again at the pictures, it is possible that your spring pivot is not broken, it just came loose.

"After looking again at the pictures, it is possible that your spring pivot is not broken, it just came loose."

The factory part is aluminum or a close cousin to pot metal. Your pic shows the pin is not broken, but the slot looks elongated (i.e. about to self-destruct).

The replacement is steel; lasts much longer. Might as well. Same labor you may not wish to replicate for awhile.

Sherwood

Yep, called Pelican last night on a part not on the system. The part was in my hands this morning.

It might be a good idea to add the "Please call us for more information" note on the part search results...

I talked with both Performance Parts and Pelican Parts today.
The pivot spring retainers carried by Performance Parts are 23 and 26 mm in size. They are for fixing a manual crank window regulator only.
My pivot spring retainer is only 15 mm long at its longest dimension. This smaller pivot spring retainer is for the electric window regulator.
Neither supplier carries the smaller 15 mm pivot spring retainer for the electric window regulator.
It appears that all references above to a steel replacement part are for the manual crank window regulators.

Here is my solution for replacement of the electric window regulator pivot spring retainer.
I'm sure it can be improved upon, and I'd like to hear (and see) your solutions and improvements as well.
This replacement involves a T-nut on the backside of the regulator, an angle bracket to retain the pivot spring, sleeve, and a 1/4-20 x 1/2" bolt to hold it all together.
The T-nut was used because there is very little clearance on the back side of the regulator. The T-nut I used here has 1/4-20 thread, but plenty of other options are available. I cut the angle bracket from a piece of junk scrap that I had laying around. The sleeve is a piece of 1/2" square bar stock. I drilled 21/64" holes in the angle bracket, the window regulator, and the sleeve so that they could slide over the 'nut' end of the T-nut. Then I screwed in the bolt to hold everything together. Finally, I used a vise grip to grab the pivot spring and move it from it's temporary resting position (top post in first picture) to between the sleeve and the angle bracket.

Question:
Can someone tell me how many turns the pivot spring should have? I have 5 here, as I assumed that the spring didn't lose a winding when it came undone.

Thoughts:
1. It would be great if a 'T-bolt' is available. Along with a threaded sleeve, these two pieces may be enough to retain the spring without the angle bracket that I have used.
2. My sleeve is way too much work. There must be something readily available that doesn't require fabrication (cut to length and drill job).
3. Although backside clearance is limited, the topside clearance is not so restrictive.
4. The angle bracket could be rotated 180 degrees and the pivot spring moved to the other side so as to give the pivot spring slightly more tension. Not sure if it is needed.
5. Getting the regulator out of the door is not as easy as Bentley makes it look. I hope getting it back in is easier!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1123206942.jpg

Back side of regulator showing the flat portion of the T-nut with 1/4-20 thread. The flat part is about 19mm long by 12 mm wide. As I tightened the bolt into the T-nut, the flat portion curved slightly to conform to the regulator.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1123206954.jpg:eek: :eek:

very clever! no idea re # turns tho.

Besidethebox, you rock! I am going through the same thing right now. You saved me a bunch of headaches. Oh and welcome to the board.SmileWavy

Putting the regualtor back in the door
 

Hi Guys

I have just replaced the pivot pin on my 1976 911. It was not hard to get the regulator out just unscrew all the various bolts, pushed the bottom of the regulator towards the lock end of the door.

I am having some difficulty in getting the spring tensioned onto the regulator. Does anyone have experience in how to get the spring tensioned?

I am not looking forward to getting the whole regulator back in.

Andrew

Get some 100lb test fishing leader. Make a loop. Clamp regulator and spring to table. Put loop around spring hook and pull untill you can hook it behind tab on regulator. Strong string would also work but the fishing line is thinner and I always have a lot on hand. good luck.

another pic....this one is on the way out
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1162947571.jpg

BesidesTheBox,

Great post!

Now I have some else to look at while I'm inside my driver's side door this weekend.

BTW, kiwiboyd is that a picture with the window down. Sure looks like it to me. Just wanted to make sure.

So much to do and so little time to do it.
-Matt

Yes, I lowered the whole unit to re-bed the glass, and remove the grease/wax and re-lube, I wanted to take a picture so I know how to replace the broken pivot pin on the drivers door I have on order.

Hey you! Mr New Turbo Look owner, how about a picture of the car?

Great post guys! I originally thought this was a manual window crack knob or something. My 2nd retainer popped a couple of months ago off the passenger side. The windows appear to work ok but now I have enough info to go tackle this one.

jt
-84 targa

Re: Putting the regualtor back in the door
 

Hi Andrew:

I clamped my regulator to the workbench and used a large screwdriver to lever the spring into place. I reasoned that you use thespring to help raise the window so I positioned the regulator assembly in the "up" position before I wound the spring. It only takes about a quarter (or so) of a turn to slip it on.

bigrubberjeep,
We're you talking to me?
If so here's a pic of my car (though I've posted a few in the past)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1162963401.jpg
Hey a Coupe door on an original Targa, just the kind of thing I keep on running into with this car.

Or is this the type of pic you wanted to see bigrubberjeep?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1162963552.jpg

Well one more.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1162963657.jpg

-Matt

Thanks Matt! What kind of headlights are those, they kind of look smoked.

Does that mean my arm will give out?

Re: Part found inside driver door - What is it?
 

Congratulations on your "new" Turbo Look Coupe.
Is your car on my list? Please E-mail me and let me know...
http://webpages.charter.net/turbolook/

Re: Re: Part found inside driver door - What is it?
 

Wow. I've been busy. Yes, I'm there. I am happy to see that my post from 2005 is helping someone out.

We decided to sell our house last spring and build. The Turbolook was driven -once- last year. Very sad, especially since the trip was from my garage to winter storage while the new home is being built. The good news is that this year will be much better from a car enjoyment perspective. Can't wait!

Sorry so slow... Here you go!

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