Part found inside driver door - What is it?

BesideTheBox · 07-26-2005, 07:55 PM

1986 carrera turbolook purchased a few weeks ago. One day while putting down the window (electric windows), I heard something snap and clank. I thought for sure that the window was broke, but it was not. Yesterday I pulled off the door panel and found this item in the bottom of the door.
Can anyone tell me what part of the door it belongs to?
The car has electric windows, central locking, and alarm system.
It looks like the piece was at one time pressed into something metal, and then rolling the window down yanked it out from its intended position.
Thank you for any assistance you can provide.
BesideTheBox

PRE-H20 · PRE-H20's Garage

its a pivot spring retainers,...... 32.00

it does need to be replaced, your window will fail soon enough.

eskimo · eskimo's Garage

I had that in the bottom of my door too.. I thought that it was from the door lock, something probably replaced by the PO ages ago..
(the vw door locks looks imiar to this broken piece, and are notorious for snapping)

So, what does 'pivot spring retainer' do? since my door panel is still off

88-diamondblue · 07-26-2005, 08:37 PM

I found the same part. Does anyone have a part number? I did a search at Pelican but did not find it. Any pictures of where it goes?

Thanks

randywebb · 07-26-2005, 08:38 PM

It retains the pivot spring in its rightful place...

PRE-H20 · PRE-H20's Garage

im not sure pelican carries them i was looking too, nuthing!

performance products carries them!

the reason i know, my wrench has my door apart as we speak, i just ordered a new today "tuesday", if they break off it will make the window stick or tough to roll up/down!

Wayne 962 · Wayne 962's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by alexander911
im not sure pelican carries them i was looking too, nuthing!

performance products carries them!

the reason i know, my wrench has my door apart as we speak, i just ordered a new today "tuesday", if they break off it will make the window stick or tough to roll up/down!

I carry everything that Performance Products carries. That what that toll-free number is in the upper corner of your screen - just call one of our sales guys...

1-888-280-7799

-Wayne

BesideTheBox · 07-27-2005, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by alexander911
its a pivot spring retainers,...... 32.00

it does need to be replaced, your window will fail soon enough.

So I didn't ask for enough information. Now I know what the part is called, but I still don't have any idea where the part goes. Can someone tell me where the part goes? I have the porsche CD with all of the parts diagrams on it, but I cannot find a pivot spring or its retainer.

Thank you.

BesideTheBox

KFC911 · 06:38 AM

I had this same issue last year. Check out this post I made...Sean's response helped me understand. In my case, I never did replace anything (it must have been replace by a PO earlier), since my 'coiled spring' seemed intact, and I've never had an issue w/ my window. Hope this helps...

Can someone identify this window/door part?

Here's another thread:
What is this Part????

randywebb · 07-27-2005, 11:08 AM

Wayne - you might want to put (additional) info on the site -- "call for items not listed!" Maybe:

IF (search results empty)
THEN write phone call msg.

BesideTheBox · 07-28-2005, 04:19 PM

Anyone?

Where is the window regulator pivot spring or coil spring located in the door? I've looked and haven't been able to find it. I have the Porsche PET electronic catalog, and I don't see a coil spring in their diagram either.

Thank you for any help you can provide.

BesideTheBox

randywebb · 07-28-2005, 05:28 PM

I would look up door or window - use the binocular icon to do a search -- from there you'll have to scrutinize the parts diagram.

and maybe it isn't a _coil_ spring - tho I'd expect it to be

also
call Pelican and see if they can help
and as a last resort... dealer parts guy

BesideTheBox · 07-28-2005, 07:37 PM

Found it. The window regulator coil spring is between the 3 arm regulator and the inside skin of the door approximately 2 inches back from an oblong inspection hole, and slightly forward of the "relay lever" for the inside door handle.

I can see the rectangular hole where the pivot spring retainer is supposed to go, but I couldn't get a decent picture of it.

If you are lucky, when the pivot spring retainer gives way, the pivot spring catches on a bolt that holds the regulator to the inside skin of the door. This is what happened to me. But those of you that have a rattling regulator (like mine), the rattle is because the pivot spring is not applying enough pressure to the pivot arms and one of them is moving back and forth within one of the channels. The movement is only about 1/16th of an inch, but it is enough to cause quite a rattle, especially with the door panel removed.

So order up a new set (may as well do both) of pivot spring retainers.

Thank you for the help.

BesideTheBox

Perspective shot:

Looking up at the pivot spring from the ground:

Looking back at the pivot spring as it is caught on the window regulator retaining bolt.

midlife · 07-28-2005, 08:49 PM

This part transmits the load from the helper spring to the window regulator. If you do not replace it, you could burn out the window motor, or strip the gears.

Pet diagrams don't show this part, because it is not intended to be serviced. It is rivited in place.
It is however a common failure part, so there is stronger replacements made. There are a couple of different sizes, and slot orientations.

randywebb · 07-28-2005, 09:43 PM

This will be a very helpful thread for others who are, ah, burdened with elec. windows.

KFC911 · 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by randywebb
This will be a very helpful thread for others who are, ah, burdened with elec. windows.

Are you insulting those of us who drive pigs (...er, I mean Carreras)

? Nice pics BTB...great info for the archives. I can see (in your case), where the coiled spring is detached, whereas mine was/is intact, and either I've been very lucky (or indeed, a PO has already had it replaced). Midlife, a question for ya...if my window still functions perfectly, the coiled spring 'appears' to be in place, and I have no rattles whatsoever, in your opinion, am I still susceptable to the potential problems you refer to? Thanks all!

midlife · 07-29-2005, 05:12 AM

My first-hand experience is only with manual window. With the spring pivot broken, the window still goes up and down, it just requires a lot more force. My drivers window had been used for some time in this condition, and the gears wore to the point that they would skip. The entire regulator had to be replaced. The passenger window only required the pivot.
The pivots are not hard to replace (other than getting the regulator out of the door). You just grind off the upset part of the old one, and pean in the new one.

midlife · 07-29-2005, 05:17 AM

After looking again at the pictures, it is possible that your spring pivot is not broken, it just came loose.

911pcars · 07-29-2005, 11:21 AM

"After looking again at the pictures, it is possible that your spring pivot is not broken, it just came loose."

The factory part is aluminum or a close cousin to pot metal. Your pic shows the pin is not broken, but the slot looks elongated (i.e. about to self-destruct).

The replacement is steel; lasts much longer. Might as well. Same labor you may not wish to replicate for awhile.

Sherwood

Groesbeck Hurricane · 07-29-2005, 11:27 AM

Yep, called Pelican last night on a part not on the system. The part was in my hands this morning.

It might be a good idea to add the "Please call us for more information" note on the part search results...