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Lorenfb 11-13-2005 08:30 AM

And for those that support Pelican, they also have very reliable speedo & tach
rebuilding sources.

Nine9six 11-13-2005 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sammyg2
Fallacy:The big bad oil companies are conspiring to rip us off.

When crude goes up $1.00 a barrel, it is seen IMMEDIATELY at the gas pump, even though that crude will not see the gas station for another month or more. When it goes down, it may take as much as a month before the reduction is seen.

How is it even blatant ripoffs are so hard for some to see?

Gunter 11-13-2005 08:55 AM

Good point, Loren.
Pelican can repair instruments but I don't know who does it for them.
I posted NHS, and Palo Alto, to just confirm the issue of: "No problem resetting while in motion."
When using MSN Search for Odometer/Speedo repair, Pelican did not come up for me.

I agree that there is a rip-off by oil companies for reasons stated by Nine9six; the same for banks: When the FED raises interest rates, banks follow overnight but are much slower to do the same when rates drop.

Lorenfb 11-13-2005 09:04 AM

"When using MSN Search for Odometer/Speedo repair, Pelican did not come up for me." - Gunter -

Don't rely on the Pelican on-line catalog as it doesn't have all the answers.
Wayne & Tom have made an effort to be a full Porsche parts supplier,
i.e. to a limit, and as such they have many sources for parts whether rebuilt
or new. So, when in doubt, always call Pelican and ask Wayne or Tom.

newbe911 11-13-2005 09:27 AM

Regrading "Big Oill" riping off us customers:
The oil companies make about .10/gal. profit and we pay .40+/gal. taxes.
Much of the runup of prices this past year has been by the "future traders" in the stock market. The change in prices immidately @ the pump is the retailer trying to get enough money to purchase his next load of fuel which would be more expensive than his last.
Some of the reason for variation of price in different areas is due to the wholesaler. I have personally seen .10-.15/gal. differense in areas 50 mi. apart because one wholesaler controlled the area.

Gunter 11-13-2005 09:37 AM

You're missing the point, Loren.
I mention NHS, and Palo Alto, as a source to confirm the fallacy that a car must be stopped to reset the odometer, not to drum up business for them.
If you know a source at Pelican to chime in on this very issue, post a name, or E-mail link, from the Pelican staff here. Cheers.

Lorenfb 11-13-2005 09:46 AM

"You're missing the point, Loren.
I mention NHS, and Palo Alto, as a source to confirm the fallacy that a car must be stopped to reset the odometer, not to drum up business for them." - Gunter -

Yes, but still not a good idea to post competitive links.

Alan Cottrill 11-13-2005 10:03 AM

'when prices go up at the pump it's immediatly relfected in the value of my Exxon stock"

oh, wait...thats not a fallacy

HawgRyder 11-13-2005 10:40 AM

I think that each time the price of gas goes up....we should eliminate one oil company exec.
That way the price would stabilise and they would actually have to prove the cost factor before upping the price.
Of course, they are pretty stupid, I figure about 10 of them would be gone before the realisation set in to offset the greed.
Bob

Joe Bob 11-13-2005 10:59 AM

And he slept at a Holiday Express Inn once....

randywebb 11-13-2005 11:00 AM

Frontline had a recent investigative report on the oil co. ripoffs schemes -- they are closing refineries and exporting oil from the US to So. Amer. countries during times of shortage here...

Wil Ferch 11-13-2005 11:16 AM

Ahhh.. not so quick Newbe and Sammy....

Exxon/Mobil just posted 3rd quarter earnings.... 10 billion dollars ( that's right....NINE zero's)..... for a QUARTER !, not the whole year....

Quick ! ...name another industry that can boast such profits....

And yes...price increases are felt IMMEDIATELY at the pumps....reductions take 30-60 days.....

- Wil

K9Torro 11-13-2005 11:43 AM

Boy I am sure glad my car still runs on filtered dung bug juice :p

Todd SmileWavy

island911 11-13-2005 12:00 PM

excised Oil- hyjack to OT Link

sorry Gunter

ChrisBennet 11-13-2005 01:29 PM

"Don't adjust the valves too tight because they will tighten up as the engine warms up and you'll burn a valve."
(911 valve clearances get larger as the engine warms up.)

"The gas pedal needs to be lowered in order to heel and toe."
(If you do, it will usually be too low for heel toe on the track when you actually need it. The height is right when you are really braking.")

-Chris

Paulporsche 11-13-2005 01:48 PM

"Porsh"

(LOL!)

randywebb 11-13-2005 04:10 PM

You are confusing inferences drawn from facts with the facts themselves - among some other problems.

For one thing, the % profit needed to be viable is not a constant -- it decreases markedly as volume rises. One example: grocery stores. Oil companies are all about volume of course.

One thing I will say however, is that oil co.s often lose money and the system is geared to make it all back up on the finds they do make. Hence the need for big episodic profits to balance out the losses in other years and on other wells, test drillings, explorations, and so forth.

island911 11-13-2005 04:31 PM

Hey Randy (and others) I've tried to transplant this topic over on OT Link


. . .trying not to ruin an otherwise useful tech-thread here.

Norm Faustino 11-13-2005 04:56 PM

Every Porsche made is a racecar

nut11 11-13-2005 05:23 PM

"When the dash board clicks, time to down shift."

ianc 11-13-2005 05:36 PM

CIS can't be diagnosed. You just need to replace things a piece at a time until it works.

Carbs are superior for a street car.

ianc

yasir 11-13-2005 05:44 PM

If it doesn't leak oil it ain't air cool ;)

Moses 11-13-2005 05:47 PM

POR-15 is perfect for getting Herculiner off your hootus.

island911 11-13-2005 05:55 PM

"Engines are just air-pumps. If it can 'flow' faster it will run better."

das908kind 11-13-2005 06:18 PM

"Porsche. Isn't that just a Volkswagen?"

"The stock turbo brake-pads don't get hot enough in traffic. What pads do you recommend?"
(This question was for Bruce Anderson at a tech-night)

randywebb 11-13-2005 06:23 PM

Good idea - I didn't know you were a mod.


Quote:

Originally posted by island911
Hey Randy (and others) I've tried to transplant this topic over on OT Link


. . .trying not to ruin an otherwise useful tech-thread here.


randywebb 11-13-2005 06:25 PM

"I can improve on the aerodynamics with a $65 splitter."


"Big Reds will make my 2,300 lb. street car brake better."

island911 11-13-2005 07:08 PM

"915s are slow shifting"

Randy - just trying to be respectful of Gunters thread. ..and, mod's generally move whole threads. (not parts)

CBRacerX 11-13-2005 08:15 PM

I'll learn more if I get the the car set up for the track right away (excluding safety equip).

I need more HP to catch that guy (the same car with the same tires)!

Porsches are the perfect track machine.

gavinlit 11-13-2005 08:26 PM

"Because it's done depreciating, it makes better financial sense to buy a 28 year old 911 than a new performance car"
"Targas always leak and have wind noise"

Joe Bob 11-13-2005 08:43 PM

You can reason with Mullhullandose.....

porschett 11-13-2005 08:44 PM

"This stock 930 has everything honey. I don't have to change a thing." :rolleyes:

ficke 11-14-2005 05:48 AM

"oil company's are bad and unique because they are willing to make an obscene profit"
I am sure glad that is a fallacy because I still need to get a set of Cibie rally lights for my car, Oh and I would like to by a house, It sure is nice to know some people would sell these thing for only 10 percent over what they paid for them and not market value so they will not be thrown in with those weird mean oil guys.

wholberg 11-14-2005 07:00 AM

'You own a Porsche? You must be rich!"

or

"You can't drive it every day"

or

"it's not as reliable as a good ol' piece of American Iron"

Gunter 11-14-2005 07:18 AM

No more "Oil Companies Comments" please, just stuff pertaining to car maintenance/practices.

Here is another mal-practice:

"Using a new chain but keeping the old chain sprockets is o.k."
The pitch is the same but, what happens is that the new chain will not seat properly in the old sprocket because the worn tooth areas on the sprocket will not match the new chain links. Over time, the new chain will put so much stress on the tips of the teeth that you'll find all of them on your sump screen like I did after running with the new chains for about 10K miles. Luckily, I found them before the chains jumped. I counted them and they added up to the exact number.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/200267-new-chains-without-new-sprockets-read.html

I expect a flurry of responses from people who have done it but, just think about it: A new chain on a worn sprocket is not good; they don't really match. There must be a few engines out there running with cropped teeth; you may find them in your sump if you have one. I think after '83, the sump was eliminated.

wholberg 11-14-2005 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gunter
...A new chain on a worn sprocket is not good; they don't really match.
That makes sense to me. No one who owns a motorcycle would replace a drive chain without replacing the rear sprocket. Holding the old one up next to the new one, I could always see visible deformatoin of the grooves.

sammyg2 11-14-2005 08:37 AM

I went back and deleted all of my replies to posts regarding oil companies out of respect for ths thread.

"Black helicopters. You heard about them? Black helicopters - they're everywhere. They're on whisper mode so you can't hear them until they're already gone, you know?" Mel Gibson.

Tin foil hats rule ;)

goose2 11-14-2005 09:22 AM

how about "you can't re-ring Alusil cylinders"?

TonyG 11-14-2005 11:01 AM

This is the one I love....

"on SC engines you only need to replace the bottom studs during a rebuild".



TonyG

GrantG 11-14-2005 11:31 AM

It's always best to buy the newest version of the 911 you can afford ;)


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