Porsche VS Motorcycle Video

[wcc]

This is fun to watch. It is from the bikes prospective. Click on the first one on the page. R1 bike VS Porsche GT3.

http://www.sportbikez.net/videos/1/6

Enjoy.

[RarlyL8]

WOW!
Do you think that was accurate or were they just playing?

[DarrylD]

Enlarge it to see the motorcycle speedo is in Klicks.

[Craig 930 RS]

Spped is in km/h - but they were moving pretty good. That said, the bike should be able to more easily dust the GT3.

[911mot]

good one.


here's another:

911 v R1

This time they're both going for it, the drivers are pro's and your host is Jeremy Clarkson.

enjoy

[450knotOffice]

From what I saw, I'd venture a guess that they were together and the agreement was probably to keep the GT3 in the video. It looked to me that the bike and car were fairly evenly matched in the twisty sections but that the bike easily reeled in the car on almost all of the straights. The guy on the bike had to back way off a couple of times to keep the car in front, at least until the final long straightaway.

Awesome video though. It's been saved to my hard drive.

[Asjac]

Originally posted by 911mot
good one.


here's another:

911 v R1

This time they're both going for it, the drivers are pro's and your host is Jeremy Clarkson.

enjoy

Direct link, maybe:

http://dl2.dumpalink.com/media/6XZj87sBbz1E/cgx4CsBcg0Jj.wmv

[slammed1000]

Originally posted by 450knotOffice
From what I saw, I'd venture a guess that they were together and the agreement was probably to keep the GT3 in the video. It looked to me that the bike and car were fairly evenly matched in the twisty sections but that the bike easily reeled in the car on almost all of the straights. The guy on the bike had to back way off a couple of times to keep the car in front, at least until the final long straightaway.

Awesome video though. It's been saved to my hard drive.

you are correct on what would happen in real life. in a tight cornered track the gt would probably outrun the bike. a track like this one the bike should have just left the car after a few straights. my current bike makes 167hp at the rear wheel and weighs 410lb. as you can see the power to weight ratio is a ton more the the gt. the bike that was shown probably makes around 135-140hp. and weighs 425lbs.

[vash]

a bike is not the fastest. the limit is traction right?

[slammed1000]

Originally posted by vash
a bike is not the fastest. the limit is traction right?

in the first video the bike would have left it. you are correct on the traction part but the first track had long swooping corners and long straights. the bike would have easily passed the car at any point. i am not defending bikes because i own one but i know due to lap times due to track days with both.

[911mot]

Asjac, good call. Post edited.

[jannek]

Motorcycle lap record on NS is 7:49:71 by Helmut Dähne in 1993 (Metzeler ME Z1). Last motorcycle race there was held in 1994 by the way.

GT3 can do "only" 7.54. But this is comparing a 90's racing bike to a stock Porsche on street tires.

[gamma]

I just sold an R1 a while back, pretty amazing machine. The new ones are up 25 or so horse over what I had, they are claiming in the 180 range. THis is play, on the straits the R1 is not using the meat of the power band. There are places where the bike would be faster, straights, and places the car would be faster,. But fun to watch for sure. Kevin

[jluetjen]

This should be a fairly easy decision without resorting to a whole lot of arguement:

Road Atlanta, September 2004. Superbikes:
°POLE POSITION – Mathew Mladin, 01:22.1, 111.423 mph (NEW TRACK RECORD) on 2.52 mile road course

2005 Petit Le Mans, September 2005. GT2 class Porsche 911.
Timo Bernhard won his third pole of the year in the No. 23 Alex Job Racing Porsche to a lap of 1:21.932 on the 2.54-mile north Georgia road course.

Score: Porsche - 1, Superbike - 0.

Road Atlanta is known as a "high speed" track, more in the vein of the west coast tracks like Willow Springs, as opposed to the tighter east coast tracks like Watkins Glen and Mid-Ohio. Given the straight line acceleration of a bike it should favor the bike as opposed to the better handling of the car. Yet the Porsche 911 was a second faster then the super-bike around a marginally longer version of the track.

Laguna Seca July 2005, Superbikes:
Mladin also broke the Laguna Seca lap record for AMA Superbikes with an ultra-fast lap time of 1:24.886.

In October 2005 at the same track:
Sascha Maassen in the P2 Porsche RS Spyder did a lap in 1:15.606 (106.563 MPH), Oliver Gavin in the GT1 Corvette did a lap in 1:21.908 and Roman Dumas in the GT2 pole sitting Alex Job Porsche 911 turned a lap in 1:25.406.

Score: Porsche - 2, Superbike - 1

Game set and match to the cars.

I seem to remember a comparison done a few years back from a show with either Niki Lauda or Jonathan Palmer where they compared an F1 car to an F1 bike. While the bike was faster off the line, the Grand Prix car won hands down when it came to lap time.

[Erik Mckenna]

Originally posted by Craig911
Spped is in km/h - but they were moving pretty good. That said, the bike should be able to more easily dust the GT3.

only on a straight.. Cars can corner faster than a bike...

[ZLP]

A lot of bike guys enjoy beating this dead horse.....

[gamma]

I seem to remember a comparison done a few years back from a show with either Niki Lauda or Jonathan Palmer where they compared an F1 car to an F1 bike. While the bike was faster off the line, the Grand Prix car won hands down when it came to lap time.

You left a few things out. It was a three way race between a F1 Ferrari, a stock GPZ turbo Kawasaki street bike, which would be a moped by todays standards. And the third thing on the track was a 280zx turbo. That stock bike ate up the 280 ZX turbo. An R1 from today would be 20 seconds per lap faster. I would bet that the now 20 year old Ferrari F1 car would still beat a new R!, and I bet it would beat any roadgoing Porsche, Not really anything comparable there.

The Porsche would probably beat a streetbike around a track. But they would not be nose to tail like this videa shows, They each have the parts of the track where they would excell. Fun to watch though. Kevin

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[songhoh]

What brings bikes so close to cars lately is the advancement in tire technology. But, that said, the fastest means of transportation on the track, street or anywhere is the 4 wheeled variety.
Anywhere you look, the car is faster.
1/4 mile, road race, off road race, endurance, sprint, novice, expert, salt flats, it doesn't matter.
Car every time. It's the rubber.
And if it's raining! Good Bye.

[911mot]

MotoGP qualifying times from the Turkish Grand Prix at Istanbul, round sixteen of the 2005 world championship.


1. Sete Gibernau SPA Team Movistar Honda 1min 52.334 secs
2. Marco Melandri ITA Team Movistar Honda 1min 52.463 secs
3. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team 1min 52.796 secs
4. Valentino Rossi ITA Gauloises Yamaha Team 1min 53.177 secs
5. Colin Edwards USA Gauloises Yamaha Team 1min 53.219 secs
6. Toni Elias SPA Fortuna Yamaha Team 1min 53.23 secs
7. Makoto Tamada JPN Konica Minolta Honda 1min 53.667 secs
8. Alex Barros BRA Camel Honda 1min 53.719 secs
9. Carlos Checa ITA Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 53.836 secs
10. Shinya Nakano JPN Kawasaki Racing Team 1min 54.023 secs




2005 Turkish F1 Grand Prix Qualifying

1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.797
2 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:27.039
3 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:27.050
4 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.352
5 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:27.501
6 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 1:27.929
7 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:27.944
8 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:28.419
9 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:28.594
10 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:28.963


Indentical track length 5.340km both dry
Cars had to use the same tyres for the entire race and have enough fuel for the first stint.
Bikes get super dooper sticky 1 lap qualifying specials and as little fuel as possible.
Bike approx 240-260 bhp @ 145kg
Car approx 900+bhp @600kg

[Hayabusa]

There is NOTHING like the thrill of an extremely fast motorcycle.