Its offical it is a wright off
 

I was on my way home from work last Tuesday evening and got hit head on by someone trying to turn left in front of me.
I am not sure if the car is a right off or not? I am going to get some better pics when I am feeling better. I just got out of the hospital.

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The front compartment is badly bent. I guess the car is toast.

Edit: I think it is financially toast by the insurance's guess. It is very much repairable, though. Did not express myself clearly above.

Point,

What a bummer. Hope you look better than your rig. Based on local 84-86 prices, unless there is 25K+ damage I doubt ICBC will write it off. If they do you might want to buy it back and build yourself a hot rod.

So you think they wont write it off? The paint is like one and a half months old ...

Glad you're alright. I agree with George. The driverside fender is pushed back into the door yet shows no sign of recieving direct impact. This suggests that the frame it's bolted to seriously jambed. Parts car.

Get yourself a good settlement. Buy back the salvage. Part the car and then shop for a pristine low mileage Carrera or a 964 or 993.

One more option. Buy back salvage and find a nice 70-73' roller and move your Carrera suspension and drivetrain over to it.

Awful. Not badly hurt, I hope. Looks like front of your car parked under the other car.

Ya based on the fact the drivers door is jammed I would bet the tub is pushed back on the drivers side which most likely would mean its toast. I just pray that they will pay me what I paid for it plus the improvements I have made. Not sure how ICBC right offs work ...

Yikes! I thought you were rear-ended. Looks like an oportunity to put your nice stuff into the roller of your choice.

According to the pics, both fenders and the hood took a hit. I agree with the others that if the tub is bent ICBC might write it off. They may still try to repair it and that is where a good shop comes in. If the tub is bent you don't want it fixed AND you'll need an ethical shop to back you up on this. Many shops would love to 'fix' a Porsche. ICBC will fight you on your improvements but if you have receipts they sometimes proprate these items based on age and availability. I've had a similar experience and I got about 90% back of what I had in the car. Took almost a year though...

How can anybody NOT see the Porsche and one with a noticable color like that (I like it)...

Hope you're OK both physically and mentally, I know my mental health would be at an all time low.

Whatever you do, don't decide anything in a rush.

Get well,
Michiel

I was rear ended three weeks ago Tuesday. This was a head on this past Thursday on the way home from work. I am just out of the hospital today.

Its still smiling though:)

Hey Marc,
Just sent you an e-mail but now I can see the pictures. I'm generally not an optimist, but to me the hit seems to be almost straight on> This is probably the best way to take a hit without bending the unibody as the bumper will eat a lot of it. Yes, the trunk lid is obviously pushed back and the drivers' side fender is pushed out of alignment, but both of these panels were hit directly by the oncoming car and of course will be bent out of alignment. These are both bolt-on replacements, as is the bumper and it's mounts. I guess one big tell-tale is how the door seams look on the passenger side: Did they open or close at the leading edge of the door (ie gap between L fender and door), Are the seams and gaps everywhere else still even? It would have been far more likely to be written off if you had been T-boned at the front or on the wheel, as this would surely transfer forces that would bend the unibody and subassembly mounting points. So how well did the crumple zone in the front absorb the impact for you? Obviously if you were hospitalized it was quite a jolt! I worry because I carry my 5yr old around in the front seat quite a bit, in a booster seat.
Take care, man.

From the photos it looks like a routine easy fix. It just depends on the 'fix-it' to 'total-it' ratio on whether or not they want to repair it or not. Send me an email to remind me on Monday and when i get to work i can look it up on ShopLink and give you idea of repair cost.

Hey Derek,

The drivers door wont open more then about an inch as the fender is pushed back into the door skin. The hood is pushed back into the window valence. I haven't been able to look underneath the car yet to see how bad the underside is except to know that the skid bar in the front is also pushed back into the front a/c component on the drivers side. I am going to collect my stuff out of it on Monday then have an appointment at ICBC on Tuesday.

My biggest gripe is still the paint work that ICBC covered from when it got damaged in the wind storm. When you open the doors the sill color is not even close to the rest of the body.

I understand the fix it to total it ratio is:

If Market Value is less then Repair Value + Salvage Value then it gets written off.

Anyway I guess I will have to wait and see what Tuesday brings ...

If all goes well you will either:
i) get as much or more than you paid in a write-off situation
ii) get it fixed to like-new condition AND get your Garnet Red Metallic back to what it was
Good luck with everything and don't forget to post the outcome.

Marc, really sorry to hear about your car but glad your doing OK. I am in Victoria (you are too?) so if there's anything I can do please email me and let me know.

Thanks for the offer. Yes I am in Victoria. I enjoyed a really fun Porsche club eat and run last Sunday that started at the Waterwheel pub.
Now I am at home to rest for next few weeks. I just got the car tuned and the oil return tubes replaced by Gary at Forward the day before. What a bummer ...

It pains me to see that my man, but I'm glad to hear you are ok.

What a shame. And FWIW, that was a gorgeous color choice.

Really sorry to hear this but glad you are ok. I hope ICBC gives you what it is worth if it is totalled.

Is it totaled?
 

Here is the pic that worries me the most. You can see across and through the drivers wheel well to the outside. I imagine that means the inner fender has been torn or is that part of the tub?
Heres the pic in question,

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1147018572.jpg

Damn, that sucks!
With today's repair costs, I think this is a write-off.
Aside from the ICBC-estimate, I would try and get another repair estimate from a shop with Porsche-experience.
Aim for a settlement with ICBC and buy it back.
Think positive.

Point, that looks like the trunk carpet.

Yep I got hit hard thats for sure ....

Its easily fixable. As i said before it just matters on what the insurance value of it is. If they total it, buy it back and fix it! The front end comes apart like this photo below...

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Easily fixable? Is that meant to be funny? Or is that one of those arm-chair-estimates without even seeing the total damage?
A close-up inspection by a professional will use a simple formula:
Cost of parts and labor vs. cost of a replacement vehicle.
Most people don't have the time, or expertise, or equipment, to make this "Easy fix" which always turns out to cost more, and take longer than expected.
I still think that the insurance company here in BC (ICBC) will not repair this 911 and write it off.
As part of the settlement, I would buy it back and sell the parts, then look for another 911.

Gunter,

I am hoping that exactly what you mention will happen. The car has so much damage that I really dont want to have it back, however I do want another one for sure. If they write it off tomorrow I will start my search for a mid to late 80's blue sunroof coupe with tail.

Anybody know the standard for this? Does the damage repair cost have to exceed 75% of the appraised value of the car for it to be a writeoff?

I understand the "fix it" to "total it" ratio is:

If Market Value is less then Repair Value + Salvage Value then it gets written off.

This is from ICBC's website

Example

After a crash:

The cost of repairing your vehicle is $8,000.
The actual cash value of your vehicle is $10,000.
The estimated salvage value is $3,000.
In this example, ICBC would consider your vehicle a write off. This is because it would cost more to fix your vehicle ($8,000) than to pay you the actual cash value ($10,000) and recover some of the costs by selling it as salvage ($3,000).

ICBC will look at similar cars that have been advertised recently and figure out an average taking into acount any upgrades/additions/repairs.
along with black/blue book values.
I would talk to the ICBC adjuster who handles the claim and make them aware of why you feel that you had some extras over and beyond the average 911. Bills and photos will help. I found that ICBC tries to acommodate within reason.
Work out a deal for write-off with buy-back; then sell the parts.
It helps if the other party also has ICBC.

This car will probably be totalled by the insurance company. That's a given. That's because of the nature of the auto collision industry - the amount of the estimate will be very high due to the nature of the way bodyshops write insurance estimates. Suffice to say, it's not the "street price".

However, this car is an easy fix. If you pay cash, and if you find the right bodyshop, you can have it done perfectly for $2000 plus used parts.

Sorry to hear about your crash. Glad you're ok and back home. Those head ons can be nasty, that's for sure. You're hit looks exactly like the one I took in my '84 a few years ago. Here are a few pics: http://www.animotion.com/911cab

Mine was easily totalled. I ended up buying back the salvage and selling it as one piece on eBay for a nice profit.

Wow that is so similar it scary! Same crunch on the valence by the window and everything. I guess I will know tomorrow for sure.

Easily fixable? Is that meant to be funny? Or is that one of those arm-chair-estimates without even seeing the total damage?

Not meant to be funny at all. I didnt say everyone could fix it. I said its an easy fix for a Body Shop. They indeed might total it. That doesnt change the fact that its a routine repair. The only difference is this car is older and not worth as much as a newer one. If this happened to a newer model, I promise you it would be fixed.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/pacific-northwest-us-wa-id-ut-hi-ak/280453-tribute-my-beloved-c2.html

This was a "Newer model", a very nice 964 with less damage and it became a write-off.
Sure, another one of those legendary "Easy fixes".

$2000.- plus used parts.
Another legend is born; keep those fantasies coming.
Can we get more "Arm-chair-estimates"??
Something less than 2K with a complete paint job and a years supply of free gas??
Pointman: Let us know what the reality is when a real adjuster finishes the estimate, (Don't tell the adjuster that it is an "Easy fix"; they might fall for it)

You either got screwed by a body shop or you dont know a wrench from a srewdriver. You shouldnt comment on a business you obviously dont know.

I work in a body shop and can send you 1,000s of pictures of cars we have fixed.

******Once again, im not saying they wont total it.*****

Im saying it can be easliy fixed. My 993 was totaled when i bought it, and its getting fixed for @ $4,500. The estimate was @ $22K. The best thing in his case would be for them to total it. Then he can buy it back and fix it for half by doing some work himself.

Heres a few we took insurance photos of today.
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Write off or not
 

OK, this was not meant to start some kind of is it a "write off" war. I would like the he said she said to stop. The damage can obviously be "easily fixed" with years of training, the right equipment, making a profit, etc ... though NOT a simple task for the layman. So I thank you both for your input and will post the result of whether in my case the car is a "write off" or not.

Again thanks to everyone for their feedback especially Gunter, I always welcome and appreciate your honesty and direct feedback.

I guess the question I have is why is a write off a bad thing?? These cars are not rare and it is possible to get another one that is better than the one you have. A fixed car is never as good so why fight this. I say let them total it, buy back the smashed car, keep what you want off it, and sell the rest. Take the money and go buy one of the flawless cars that are always for sale. You may have to argue the point a bit to get the most money but you'll be able to replace the car with another.

Alex

Coincidentally, there is a nice, straight '85 coupe shell of the same(?) color that's been for sale in So Cal for the last few months.

Don't know what magnitude project you'd be up for, but moving the good parts to the good chassis is do-able.

>>OK, this was not meant to start some kind of is it a "write off" war. I would like the he said she said to stop<<

Party pooper!!

But you're right. Done.. ;)