I guess the tongue in cheek approach didn't play so well in the midwest. Sorry.

I have been following along with all of this for a while. I applaud Ben's efforts to develop something a DIY'er can use for upgrades to his stock motor. I have found Ben to be helpful whenever I have communicated with him in the past. I generally find that these discussions are usually technical and helpful. I am somewhat shocked by what I have seen written the past few days, as Bob alludes to. I am not here to join in any acid tounged barb throwing. I'm not jumping on any bandwagons. I am trying to collect relevant, pertinant data, just like Ben is.

What I did say is that I think 300RWHP is a bit optimistic considering the testing that Ben has done, which was at less than 6 PSI, with no intercooler. So, the temperature rise across the compressor is large, and the volumetric efficiency gets beaten down. Now, maybe for a one shot 30 seconds on a dyno, that's all well and good, but how about after the car is running for a while on boost? I am just trying to interject a bit of reality. I have had people come to me and say I'll get 300 HP from mine, and I don't have an intercooler, supplemental fuel enrichment, or any of the stuff necessary to produce bigger HP.

Has anyone actually seen a dyno sheet for a typical BAE install? I don't recall ever seeing one here; perhaps it has slipped my mind if I did. What does the torque curve look like?

I'll dyno mine as soon as I'm done, and then we'll have some hard numbers to look at. I actually hope Ben is getting 300HP, which means I can up my projections for mine. Also, I have CIS, so I feel 225 is a reasonable expectation in my case.

Pat

very good point! I think thad and sammy both have dyno sheets I could be wrong but they were upwards of 280 without doubt.. Anyhow let just keep this thing on topic and see how to develop som decent power somewhat reasonable. I agree I have had very limited dyno time so who knows the IC project is next so we will see what happens meanwhile I am just going to enjoy it is great fun.......

OK, here's a couple of references which I had not seen before. It looks like the 9-15 HP/PSI range is the pessimistic/optimistic values, depending on mods. This is why I dyno'ed my SC last fall, so that I could develop a baseline for comparison.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=292218&perpage=20&highl ight=sc%20and%20turbo&pagenumber=1

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=291780&highlight=sc+and +turbo

Pat

I did some search as well. I found a wild spectrum of 8-22 hp on different web forums. I need to find a good shop local to do this with. I heard borchards out of milwaukee may be able to help..

Facey,

The 1000whp EVO we just finished is a daily driver from Florida.
Just wanted to point that out. We also have another EVO running around that has 988whp, daily driven.

Our drag car which just made 1014whp this morning has been on the same motor all season without any problems.

Ben,


lack of respect? We are currently booked out till late september for dyno tuning or dyno time. We are currently not accepting dyno appointments or renting out the dyno at this time. We are that booked up. Ask Souk, he's been trying to get on the dyno aswell.

I kindley told you that we are booked out on dyno time, I don't see how that is disrespectful at all.

I can't even get my Porsche dynoed w/ the new map-ecu, I bought.
Frank, my brother works there,they did offered me a street tune.

(yes, I am looking for more power) I need help.

I warn all of you, you will start w/ low boost and then, well!!!!!

Frank I know you did tell me that I appreciate that. As to not beat a dead horse lets move on and try to start fresh on this.


Tony you are dead on I already have the bug. I think well what If I do this or this and how this work to get me better in this range. It is very addicting. All will want more boost. Tony I wish you the best with your quest ! I know its expensive just ask juan He spent a forune to get the kind of Hp he was putting out and to him this is all a childs game I am sure that guy built some serious hp.

Oh well

back on topic. just tried out the 46mm wg. There was no difference other then it looks better and it does not sound as loud . I am going to keep it on for now ..


Good luck to all until next time I am out for now

:cool: pics Ben...

Subscribing to thread.

learning alot on this subject. **subscribed**

great thread!!!

What else do you want pics of?? I can post them let me know

A couple of hot Babes in skimpy thongs next to your car

LOL

Any updates on this thread? Ben how's the car, did it blow up yet? Any new dyno runs etc etc?

update cars runs great smoked the clutch completly now. but thats about it.

Ben, did you ever use the intercooler yet? I am curious about that.

no IC yet But when I pull the engine this week I will mock up the IC as well

I'm amazed that you popped the clutch with only 5psi of boost. I bet that should be a priority in the conversion. So have you come up with any prices on all the installation parts?

yes we have prices and as far as the clutch it was not so great to begin with so I knew that would happen

I couldn't help it, it's just too cool
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1157284573.jpg

You did a few changes to the piping?? Got any close ups??

Sweet...Very sweet !!!:)

no changes, just a stand off from the old airbox mount hole to hold up the AFM better, keeps it more stable and supports the afm since the airbox isn't holding it up anymore. Should keep the stock boot connected to the afm as well since it's pretty much secure there now. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1157287196.jpg

Slightly off-topic, but has anyone tried a centrifugal compressor?

The installation of one would be easy. No exhaust modifications, no oil lines (self contained) and the characteristic of the engine would be like a N/A engine.

I have no experience with them but I read that they get their max boost high in the rpm typically 1000 rpm before red line.
Wouldn't that suit our k-jetronic engines that loses power over 5000 rpm?

some more pics of the recent clutch job with some polished turbo parts for pictureshttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1158023436.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1158023486.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1158023532.jpg

Is that your wide band sensor mounted horizontally after the turbo? If i remember right when i was installing an LM-1 wide band in a 951 they recommended to install the sensor as close to vertical (pointing down inside the exhaust) as possible, with i think only 30 degrees of variance.

yup all O2 are suppose to be mounted that way but worst case I replcae it later (they are pretty cheap. the production models were corrected)

great thread, looking forward to hearing more!

Best Regards,
Daryl

Shorewood, WI

you need to stop down and see it first hand

yup my fault what you going to doSmileWavy

time for some updated pictures. the first being the setup we do for the ssi guys the second is the next generation of setup using a special SSI set up adapted by us and all of our pressure pipeinghttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161261804.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161261814.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1161261823.jpg

out for now but I will update with more development as it comes available

updates are coming on new setup. stay tuned

mb911 - nice exhaust - is that fabspeed?? :)

No sorry its ours we make all our own stuff

That "Y" looks like cast iron. Did you make that or source it?

the new 2nd versions are 347 stainless cast unit from ssi that we modify. we still offer the standard units for the standard ssis but this is specific a special ssi set up

Very impressed with your work Ben, looking forward to the updates !

Wow
 

Goodday from Down under love the project Ive just purchased a 1980 sc, could you tell me if you did a top and bottom end on this before the upgrade commenced , expected horsepower after the mod? what else has been done to the engine, Please

I had done a top end about 10,000 miles before doing this but stock compression and It was night and day difference in performance.. I had it on a dyno doing AFR's but I am not going to quote the HP rating as speculation says it was not accurate. However at 3000 rpm it was producing 150 HP at the wheels ..

Anyhow here is a link for someone selling the ssi crossover super cheap, cheaper then I can sell one for

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=315829&perpage=20&pagen umber=1

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!!!!!
Today I am thankful for threads like this one!! Ben ... I ahve followed all your threads and find them packed with lots of information and closeup pictures ect and I am amazed at the speed of your progress... I cant wait to log on again and see where you are in the project...!!

well just a little bit of info on my engine after the overboost.

cylinder 3 has erosion and cylinder 1 in major scoring and the ring land is broken.


So note to self and everyone else be careful of the boost signal line and run a boost guage

Overboost
 

Ben,

MSnS-Extra software (downloaded into MegaSquirt) has a overboost and over rev protection. It will cut fuel (and spark of you are controlling it through MegaSquirt) once the thresholds your program are hit. Could have saved your engine...

It is somewhat more complex than the standard B&G software, but probably worth the time spent learing it in your case.

Cheers,

Tony