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can anyone recommend a short shift kit,or which one to stay away from....and how difficult it is to install
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Factory type. Difficulty level; ~3 on my scale from 1-10. YMMV
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I am not sure which one to reccomend from experience, but the consensus seems to be to go with the factory short shift kit. Again that opinion is simply from what I have read not my experience! There are two tech articles on installing the factory short shift kit, and I believe one of the projects in 101 projects for you porsche 911 is installing a short shift kit. Here is a link to the book: http://www.101projects.com/Porsche-101/index.htm this is the cheapest best tool you can buy for you car! ! ! And here are the links to the tech articles
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/911_short_shift_tindel/911_short_shift_kit_install.htm http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/911_short_shift_kit/911_short_shift_kit.htm Good luck and let us know how it improves the car. Rich
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rennshifter easy to install
wevo & factory short shift similar in difficulty of installation |
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I had the Weltmeister, then I got the factory short shift kit. The factory kit has been flawless since I put it in 5 years ago.
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what about weltmiester,and does anyone know if that kit comes with shift ball cup bushing for getting rid of all the play in my shifter?
or is it sold seperately...thanks
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My recommendation is to stay away from ALL of them!!!
All you will accomplish is to accelerate the wear and tear of your 915 ... towards an expensive rebuild! If your 915 shifter has the Allen screw and locknut on the front of the housing ... disassemble, clean, reshim, and lubricate the shifter, and you will be amazed at the difference! Otherwise get one of the last versions with Allen tension adjustment bolt and clean it up as above, along with new bushings for the shift rod, ball cup, and coupler!
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Warren I have heard this before. Can you elaborate on the clean/re-shim process?
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My 1979 911SC had a Weltmeister installed by the p.o. After having the tranny rebuilt, the shop highly recommended taking out the Weltmeister and having a factory short-shift kit installed. The Weltmeister shortens the throw, too much. This is done by changing the fulcrom on the shift lever which causes more stress on the syncros and gears. The factory kit is about the same price and was engineered by the same people that designed your Porsche.
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The factory kit is good - it depends upon the year of your car too. My 1972 throw was very long - much longer than was on my 911SC. The 1972 cars never used the later-style shifter - I atribute the long throw to this. In my case it was necessary, but in general, you should fix your bushings first...
-Wayne
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Having put short shift kits in both my 73 and 87, in retrospect I think it was wasted money and effort. What's the point of "33% less throw"? You can easily move your hand plenty fast to shift a 915 or 930 transmission, with a stock shifter, as fast as they should be shifted. New bushings and coupler are more likely a better investment.
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I love my factory short shift kit, one of the best investments I made but at the same time I had the coupler replaced and new bushings installed so a combination of upgrades/repairs made a nice difference in shifting.
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I recently replaced the weltmeister with the factory short shift kit. Throw is a little longer, but feels good. Easier to get into third than before.
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In my opinion nothing is gained by installing the factory short shift.
I installed one on my 79, even blueprinted it by hand untill the movement was flawless. Ended up removing it. The way the short shift works is it does shorten the throw a little but it increases the effort required, it's a leverage thing, you'll lose sensitivity in the tradeoff. Because of this you'll be less able to feel when the shift is right and more likely to force it. I found that a better path is to replace all your bushings from the shifter back to the tranny. This will give you the best shifting your tranny is capable of. If you want to go further and spend money I would then move to a Wevo shifter or rebuild the tranny but you have to keep in mind that these transmissions are not like modern transmissions that shift quickly. They take time, even after they are rebuilt. My trans is rebuilt and it shifts well but not fast. Part of the fun is learning how to work with what it is. Good luck with whatever you decide. |
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Scott,
The procedure is self-explantory once you have the shifter in your hands ... but, a few pics and diagrams may help. ![]() The above diagram was taken from the following tech article on the short shift kit installation, which can be useful to peruse: http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/911_short_shift_tindel/911_short_shift_kit_install.htm These pics illustrate where the white lithium grease applied at the factory has been contaminated with wear products: This pic illustrates where additional shim washers may need to be installed: ![]()
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Thanks warren. Thats perfect.
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Had a weltmeister with a freshly rebuilt 915, and had major shifting problems. My mechanic recommended that I take out the weltmeister before I installed the gearbox, but I didn't listen. After about a month I finally dumped the weltmeister in the trash and put in a factory short shift kit. Problem solved!
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Thanks,
You guys rock!!!!!!!!
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Weltmeister is junk. My car came with it and I replaced it with the factory short shifter for much better shifting. I disagree that stock is just fine. Stock feels like driving a school bus.
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