replaced shift bushing but after looking at stoddard catalogue...

i think i might be missing a few parts.i thought it was a simple enough job.removed the shift lever, removed the old bushing w a little refusal, replaced bushing, aligned receiver bushing base, tightened 3 bolts to the rear of mounting plate, likewise on two bolts up front and bam! done. then last night i was looking at the stoddard catalogue and saw 3 parts that i didn't see during bushing replacement. diagram shows thrust spring plate, thrust spring, and shifting guide. should i have seen these parts in the simple replacement of bushing? i did not dig deep inside but should these 3 parts have come out during the removal of the lever so that they would also have been needed during installation or are these 3 parts deeper inside? the shifting is sloppy like everyone describes though i've only driven one other early 911 but it had a short shft kit. however the shifting is much better after replacing the bushing.

Are you talking about the items in this picture?


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Leland Pate

___79 SC Targa

[This message has been edited by Leland Pate (edited 08-18-2000).]

Damn, it won't let me post the picture. Go to the short shift kit section here on Pelican and look at the picture. What I was wondering is if the parts you are refering to are in the picrure.
Sorry,
Lee

leland: i'm not sure which section you are talking about. catalogue or tech article? anyways, after looking at the catalogue short shift kit pict, my question is: should the 3 parts (spring + 2 "washer ring" parts) be placed on the ball joint section and then the actual bushing. i installed the bushing and that's it. no other parts involved.if there are additional parts required then i am missing these 3 parts. i think the spring/washers needed to go above the bushing??? what do you think.

All of the parts shown in the short shift kit go inside the shifter assembly to replace existing parts, and have NOTHING to do with the replacement of the ball cup bushing, shift rod bushing, and shift coupler bushings!!!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

Oh, ok, you are talking about something different than what I thought you were. From your original post I thought you were trying to say that you didn't have the reverse lock out plate/ springs/ and guide fork that go in the shifting assembly. What year is your car?

If you are talking about the ball joint knuckle part where the shifter arm attaches to the shaft that runs back through the tunnel than no, at least on my SC I don'tt remember anything like what you have described. On my car I replaced the shifter ball joint bushing as well as the tunnel shaft bushing without too much trouble and don't recall what you are describing. It would help if I had a picture to look at. I'll go home tonight and check my Factory manuals diagram and get back to you Monday.
Sorry I can't be of more help.

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Leland Pate

___79 SC Targa

thanks leland. and i am not talking about a short shift kit at all early s. the car is a '68 911L. if you can post your e-mail address i can send a pict of the stoddard diagram. thanks.

Bob, Warren is right with his comments about the parts that you are concerned might be missing from your shift linkage. The upper thrust spring guide, the thrust spring & the shifting guide (diagram on p.65 of Stoddard catalogue)are all inside the shift lever housing & do not come out unless you remove the guide pins/springs/reverse gear lock-out plate. These have nothing to do with replacing any of the shift couplings but would need to be removed if you were fitting
any of the short-shift kits (Factory or Weltmeister).
Andy Boyle (UK)
'69 911E

Bob, I recently replaced all the bushings in my 72' T. They were 1.The bushing that inserts in the end of the shift rod that accepts the ball tip of the shifter. 2. The shift rod support bushing that surrounds the shift rod. 3. The coupler bushings. These are the pair of bushings inside the coupler that connects the shift rod to the tranny, accessible from the cover plate on the center tunnel in front of the back seats. All are critical to the alleviation of sloppy shifting. Hope this help can help shed some light on the subject. Bobby

funny thing. i was looking at the tweeks catalogue and there are seperate diagrams for the model years. there were no picts for the parts i was refering to in my orig post. so i guess i okay on that situation for now. i will be ordering the shift coupler bushings today to help alleviate the bill of the tranny overhaul/clutch work that i need to have done within the month. 1st gear growls like a hungry bear and the clutch seems to be slipping under heavy acceleration. tahnks to everyone for replying to my post. this forum is great.

Bob,

Have you changed the gear oil in the transaxle lately? If not, try a change now, to see if there are any warning signs like broken brass chunks from the synchro hub teeth in the oil you drain out.

As far as your original concern goes, my parts catalog shows the parts in that Stoddard diagram as being part of the '72 shifter, which was very close to being identical to the '65 thru '71 models!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

yeah,my mechanic changed out the gear oil w swepco. behaved the same afterwards. said there was a lot of shaved metal pieces. he gave me an estimate for overhauling the tranny for $1k. said he doesn't even bother replacing 1st gear due to the uneven wear of all other gears. instead he would replace entire transaxel. can you give me any advice for a car that will be going into the shop soon in re: to the tranny? thanks.
bob
'68 911L

I am not sure that I quite understand the logic behind what your mechanic said, other than maybe he would rather replace the whole transaxle with an exchange unit, rather than actually get his hands dirty with actually do some actual technical work inside your trans.
Maybe you ought to find a different/second opinion about your trans ... I don't think a '68 trans is trashed just because a couple of gears are 'graunchy' ... how long ago was the gear oil was changed to SWEPCO? It DOES still need to be changed annually!!! I have found it takes a couple of changes to 'flush-out' all of the old particles, then the shifting gets better ... YMMV!

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Warren Hall
1973 911S Targa

maybe i'll have to give it another whirl but i don't think it will work just because 1st gear is very NOISEY. my mechanic is very reputable and i actually trust him after going to several other shops for my P.