3.6 swaps are they REALLY all that and then some??
 

IS this what a 3.6 in a mid year car is REALLY like!! are they that fast!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5GIo2YPWM&mode=related&search=


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgDfnjPf0k8&mode=related&search=


god it sounds like a 993 Super Cup car!!!!!! love IT!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_7dQzfNSsA&NR

Heh, reminds me of those old-timey grainy black and white newsreels where the guys are running around at doublespeed.

The first two videos are of a Turbo powered car, not just a "regular" 3.6.

Pretty sure the first two videos are in fact an SC with a transplanted 3.6 varioram. I've seen the car on the board and cannot remember who's car it is.

Looking at power to weight, a 3.6 powered early 911 pushes it into pretty lofty strata. My car dyno'd at 275 RWHP and weighed just under 2200 lbs. Car MFG's don't offer RWHP when they rate engines.

Here's my example: 275 rwhp x 1.14 (14% drivetrain loss) = 313 HP.
2200lbs. / 313 ~ 7.0 lbs / HP. How do those numbers stack against other sports cars? I think pretty favorably. From the driver's seat, I'd say so as well.

With the right exhaust, the sound is pretty amazing, too.

Doug

Gus the videos are all of the same car... they were saying that the whistle was due to them removing the exhaust all together.. butthe Blue car is a none turbo.. and the vids are all of the same car.. so I am not sure what is going on.. but yes, i heard the same whistle as well.. but i guess it's a none turbo carfrom what they were saying and the other videos do not show a turbo hanging off the back.. so... who knows.. I am simply wondering if the cars are that much better with a 3.6 as this thing looks like a damn BEAST!!

That car belongs to "Mike the Mechanic" from Montreal.

So what is yup with the whistle in the exhaust note? It looks to be a V-ram 3.6 with out a turbo in the videos..

If you search for the other videos related to that car, the whistle is definitely present. It would be a first for me to hear a NA car with a turbo whistling sound.

That's nothing, if you want really fast drop a V8 in there...sorry, couldn't resist...as to your question, yes a 3.6 in an SC or earlier car is awesome, but expensive to do and it's best to find one someone else has already done and let them take the huge loss on resale. I wanted to do it when I rebuild my 3.0 several years ago, but couldn't justify the substantial additional cost.

Do the first two videos look sped up to anyone else, or is it just me?

a lot of people on the bbs talk about rotating mass, that car has 35lb wheels if not more. Back on subject, i have a B&B headers with a single out muffler converted to dual outs with reduced size tail pipes, and it has an incrdibly quiet indy car type sound. when i had the big tail pipes i set car alarms off when i drove by on a regular drive. anyway, my car is an sc and i can tell that a 3.0 is anemic at best compared to a 3.6 even the fuel injection is miles ahead of the 3.0. I will say I dought i will ever own a 3.0 car again (this is not my first porsche), Kevin

Anyone in The local Dayton, Cinci, IN, area have a 3.6 swap i can hop a ride in?

I'll answer this one folks SmileWavy .....

The first 2 clips are when Mike was running his 3.2L with a Turbo, somewhere around 550-700HP. He sold his Turbo Motor not to long ago and bough a V-ram 3.6L..... its NOWHERE near as fast as the turbo, he does say its ALOT more drivable?? whatever that means, I guess with the turbo its like a light switch.

There is another clip where he drives into the garage and you can hear his old 3.2 turbo spooling down ;)

Found the turbo clip.... this is the old 3.2 turbo, hate to say it but it would kill a N/A 3.6 :rolleyes:

The audio in this clip is pure turbo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0kAkq3qw&mode=related&search=

There ya go . .. Turbo's are REALLY all that and then some.

The clip that Herman found are the ones I made reference to on my previous post. I just knew there was a turbo in there somewhere!

Dave Raum & Carston Naber are BOTH putting 3.6 liter engines in their cars as we speek. Carston is doing his own (with input/aid from Ken Farler) & Raum is having Farler doing the transplant.

I just talked to both of them the other day and they're pretty pumped !

I know you rode in Carston's car with the "old" motor, should be quite a nice improvement !

A 915 won't last very long doing burnouts in 2nd like that.

I love the "more drivable" comment. It shows that more power is not necessarily better. An "all that" car should be balanced IMHO.

Hi I am in the south bend indiana area. I will say that the 3.6 idles better and has better character in and out traffic then the 3.0. Kevin

Eric,
James Shira (MJSHIRA on the board) and Slammed1000 are in Indy, somewhere. Both have 3.6 swaps.

Track them down. I'm sure they'd be happy to show you their cars.

Doug

Scruffy is in INDY? I didn't even realize that cool .. I may do just that .


Rich,
Yeah i will try Carstons car as well.

Thanks guys..
EM

I think it is pretty damn fast. The only thing I've been in faster was a turbo car with some juice over stock. My car is about 2200 lbs and I have over 300 hp thanks to Mr. Schmidts work on my engine. She is not even broken in yet (3300 miles) as I've been busy with interior work. When I took her out last time, I was not careful enough with the throttle and she literally jumped sideways.

What was done to the motor?? sounds like I NEED a 3.6 swap as my 911 weighs the same as yours.. 2248 lbs

Thanks Guys!!!!!!!!!!!!

do a search, lots to find here. basically some evil tricks

Thats it. I need one.

speedracer,

Yes, you do NEED one.

That's what I said about 2 months ago.... and low and behold....... It was delivered here last week!

Just waiting for the snow and ice to melt.

here is the thing that those who are looking at this project need to keep in mind, it is very costly to do 'right'. It is not just the engine and the conversion parts. But you also have the brakes and other systems that really require upgrading to get the control over the new power. I have been focused on my interior but have been avoiding driving my car a lot because it needs more brakes. That is why I just got 996 TT brakes for her! See, there is the point, more money spent!

Cost is a big issue. Be prepared....It can be a slippery slope and expensive even if you do the work yourself. Here are some VERY ROUND #s, though, that aren't far from reality.

$13k to $18k for the engine and exhaust, conversion kit (flywheel, clutch, wiring harness), tins, heat solution. $3k to install and convert (shop labor).
$2k for good, used factory LSD and installation. +$1k additional for GUARD unit.
$2500 for brake upgrade + $1k labor.
$2k to $10k for chassis / suspension upgrades.
$1k to 2k for oil cooling parts + $1k labor for installation.

Unless you're tracking your car, I'd respectfully disagree. Or, if you are needing to routinely pull it down quickly from 140 mph on the street. But, for normal street use, I don't care if you have 1000 hp, stopping quickly from 60 or 70 mph is exactly the same regardless of the engine sitting behind you. Now, if you've added 1000 lbs to the car, it's a different story, but I don't think you did that!

The 993 or 964 engines shouldn't add much weight, if any. I suspect the 993 w/ the plastic intake may be lighter than 3.2s? Close, nonetheles.

The cooling upgrades are definitely a necessity, unless you decide to run it in fall, winter, spring only.

Doug

I'll have to agree with Chocaholic, but add that the note that it could be the new 3.6 transplant would "suggest" to the new owner to push it hard more often, where brake fade also comes into play. Upgrade brake pads, fluid, venting, then if run out of brakes, do the corresponding upgrade.

I plan to track the car, but I have to say, y'all can think what you want, a brake upgrade is just plain smart and I wouldn't encourage people to do this project without that step. You can do it, but I wouldn't recommend it.

this is what I am doing with brakes

http://www.instant-g.com/Products/Brakes/996tt/index.html

I agree with Doug's numbers... but it might be more.

WOW!
That's a pretty good deal for the brakes! $2895. For new, including everything, I think that is a great price.

Doug

I have the brakes already, so I just need the conversion, Steve knows what he is doing... been at it longer than everyone else.

Hey Eric,
I just returned from my first track day with the 3.6...and yes! it is all that. I doubt I will be able wipe the smile off my face for at least acouple weeks :D

how about the smile on your face when you blow the doors off much newer and more expensive cars, I loved my car when she was primer.

Save Money, Buy Mine
 

Thinking about selling my:
Low mile '97 Vram installed using Timmon's kit, motronic remapped by tuners in Deutchland. 22/29 hollow torsion bars, new biltsteins & polybronze on on all four corners, dual oil coolers with fan, elephant racing lines and fittings, 930 turbo brakes from Rennsport, rebuilt 915 with internal spraybar, circulation pump and cooler, wevo intermediate plate and Quaife torque bias diff. Only problem is that I put all this in an '86 Targa. Various other speed doodads. Shoulda gone for the coupe. I've never owned a coupe so I can't tell the difference at the track. The car is very fast. Handles great. Great fun in full drift coming out of long sweepers onto the straight aways.

Thinking about going flying. Need cash for airplane. My next DE event could change my mind though. This car is a blast on the street or track.

Mike

post pics if you are going to play this game ;-)

though no 3.6L, my 3.5L made 278 at the rear wheels, weighs in around 2300lbs with the stock 915 gearing its a monster.

toss in new bushings, blisten sports, weight loss and tires to handle the power and its fun.

right now my only brake upgrade it a switch to cross drilled and vented rotors with oversized pads (well bigger then stock so they actually sweet the entire disk)... and i've even tracked my car....stock brakes can lock up the tires....and they can stop faster then you should ever be stopping on the street..... however i do like the idea/safety factor that comes with bigger brakes.

i believe unless your talking BIG MONEY, the 3.6L transplant is the be all and end all.

993 Engine Before Install last year