How to disconnect Clifford Alarm on 1980 SC

[Gunter]

This older # 7 Clifford was installed in 1980. It takes a 5-digit code and works fine but, I have a fear that it may give me some trouble because of age. As far as I can tell, it disables the gasoline pump when activated. Does it do anything else? Anyone have experience with dismanteling this unit? I would like to leave the "calculator" board next to the ignition intact but change the wiring back to normal. Thanx in advance.
O.K. Appreciate the replies. Found the solenoid for the trunk and the horn connection, but no fuse. Question: Is there a connecting wire going from the ignition switch to the alarm unit somewhere? Is there a single fuse for the alarm? Other than fuel pump and starter, does the alarm disable anything else? Greetings

[speeder]

Yeah, take it to a reputable stereo/alarm shop and have them rip it out, leaving only the key-pad. They charged me $50.00 for this service; money well spent.

[island911]

pull the fuse(s) . . . just make sure it's not armed when you do.

[BoogieOnSkis]

I had a Clifford #8 that was in my '82. The P.O. ripped it out, but not completely. So far, I've found a pair of air horns under the steering rack pan, a solenoid next to the trunk latch, the keypad next to the steering column, and a switch in the glovebox. I've also found a few stray wires under the dash and in the smugglers box.

I was told these alarms were notorious for failing. When it failed, it would lock down the hood and not release it.

I've also found that the P.O. rewired the fusebox. I assume that it was rewired to accomodate the alarm. I want to return the wiring to factory, but I've had a difficult time tracing wires and following schematics.

[RoninLB]

...I pulled out a Clifford that was in stalled in '78..if I remember the starter sol. yellow wire goes to to CL. unit, which should be on the drivers side next to fresh air blower/manifold, remove starter wire from unit then reattach...then there is a relay that is triggered for air horns/air compressor...then the electric front hood lock gets removed..the aux. on/off switch goes to fuel pump red relay...it's not hard to find the alarm wires, they are very unporsche, skinny, and colorful.....Ron

[redtdi966]

funny
I'm searching how to remove my clifford alarm from my 80 SC.
I'll just find the controller and then try to reconnect the OEM wires back up

[9dreizig]

I"ve contacted Clifford on my alarm, just wanted info.. They don't give out wiring etc.. to anyone but instal shops.
todd

[redtdi966]

Here is my problem with my 80 SC .

I R/R engine put it in last Week End. It started kinda funky, then dies. I removed - term of battery for 20 minutes. Then car started fine. Turn off with just 1 crank, just touch ig key and it started. Done for the Week end, I used the smell of victory rule (stop any activity that looks like it is going well but not done yet. This way you are very happy till you start to work on the car again)

All the below asks the question? how does the clifford dissable the fuel pump? I don't get it?

1- week later, I go out to adjust linkage, car starts, then runs rough then it won't start. I put a inductive timng light on the HV coil, good plenty of spark. I then pull off the fuel input to the fuel filter, and connect a tube to see if the pump is pumping into a large bottle.

- Ok turn ig key, no gas being pumped.
- pull FP relay, put +12 on terminal 30 , key off, pump starts and fuel pumps into bottle.

- pull clifford connector to control unt, again put +12 on terminal 30, pump runs, would of expected it to not run, expected clifford to not allow this.

- put FP relay in , measure voltage on terminal 30 with FP relay in and key cranking engine., but no gas out of pump

- put FP relay in, measure voltage on terminal 30 with FP relay in and key cranking engine, measure voltage at pump +V terminal.... 0v

- remove FP relay, put +12 on terminal 30 , see +12 V at pump.

????? is there a external second FP relay that the clifford unit controls. I was expecting to see the FP relay switched +12 to pump going in/out to the clifford, but the pump still runs when I remove the clifford connector.


I'd love to have the clifford wiring schematics, but I'd guess only the crooks have them

[bell]

Originally posted by 9dreizig
I"ve contacted Clifford on my alarm, just wanted info.. They don't give out wiring etc.. to anyone but instal shops.
todd

clifford of today is not clifford of yesterday, they were bought out by DEI (directed electronics) a few years ago.

if you can solder than you can remove it yourself, start at the brain and follow the wires, you may need to untape some harnesses along the way, use alcohol or the like to remove the gooey residue left by 20+ year old tape on the wires, this will make retaping it easy.
you'll probably find that 1 or 2 of the wires loop through the brain and will need reconnected where they were tied into at the factory harness.

be patient, once you trace everything down it'll be self explainatory.
also disconnect the battery for this process

[slodave]

Originally posted by 9dreizig
I"ve contacted Clifford on my alarm, just wanted info.. They don't give out wiring etc.. to anyone but instal shops.
todd

Clifford, is not Clifford anymore. I have a System I and wanted to get a manual for it a few years ago. The company that bought the name, had no clue. They kept telling me that there is no System I (There WAS), kept pointing me to the website - see no System I. Finally, "sorry, if there was a System I, we don't support it. We bought out the company a few years ago). Oh well, my alarm has three relays. It started acting up and I finally figured out, that one or more relays went bad.

I like the alarm. Two horns that give me a heart attack when the alarm accidentally goes off. I also figure that most modern thieves will have a hard time with it. The alarm is connected to the front bonnet and locks it down.

Dave

[redtdi966]

I had a bunch af variables: Last week I put in engine -tranny in so one would assume that I did not connect some mystery wire + there is the issue of "MR Clifford" + I had not started car since last September, so why the FP relay NOW! I knew that I had an issue with pin30 to pump but assumed that the Clifford designers had added yet another relay perhaps in the bumper cavity, so I was not thinking The Easy Button.


I gave up on disconnection of Clifford or "HAL". It is a cancer that is embedded in the arteries of my car.


But I did find out why my fuel pump did not work or worked a bit, really the most unbelievable failure, I can't blame Mr. Clifford.
Note term 30, and the slots in the pins. My problem was that the slots had collapsed, thus very little surface area to contact the socket. I measured resistance from the relay pin 30 to the pump, ~2ohms, great right? But when I energized the relay I got 0 (milli-volts) at the pump. So again very little surface area, but static had 2 ohms, but the equivalent of #30 wire? ANyway I took a safty razor and put a spread on the pins..... Car now fires up perfect. The razor blade is now in my tools box!