What's the lightest stainless exhaust system for an SC?

[FenderGuy]

I just recieved SSI's modified to fit a B & B Muffler, while the SSI's seem light, the B & B muffler seems heavier then my stock Bischoff muffler. What is the lighest muffler out there when combined with SSI's?

[JeremyD]

easy answer - MK

[widgeon13]

Originally Posted by JeremyD

easy answer - MK

+1

[SCWDP911]

Yep, mine weighted 9 lbs (single in single out)

[Scott R]

Gutted early factory, weighed 7lbs, sounds pretty good too.

[mb911]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Gutted early factory, weighed 7lbs, sounds pretty good too.

no way. was there nothing in it at all except a shell? we use materials that do not exceed .050 in the thickest part of our mufflers and 13.5 lbs is hard to achieve.. that is for a 2 in 2 out

[Ron.G]

M&K is by far...
Single in single out.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by mb911

no way. was there nothing in it at all except a shell? we use materials that do not exceed .050 in the thickest part of our mufflers and 13.5 lbs is hard to achieve.. that is for a 2 in 2 out

Yes way, on a scale. Muffler is stamped "tesch type IV." I purchased it from a factory configuration car. And it's very, very, hollow as I was the one that gutted it, and welded it back up. This weight is confirmed by my mechanic, and by me. I would be happy to post a pic of it since I need to remove it again to replace the chain box gasket, a little nagging nuance of my rebuild.

Honestly, I've heard your muffler, and well to be polite, the sound is terrible. In fact at a tech inspection, surrounded by a few drivers we all stated that your muffler is just too loud, on top of the weight. I can't argue that you don't make a great product, as you do. But it doesn't suit the taste of many, in both sound and weight. Of course it's light, but it's not the only solution out there, you really need to tone it down, and of course fix that batting issue as well. I saw a huge chuck of white fluff exit a MB muffler at our last track event.

These reasons' are why I didn't go with your product in the end. It's a great looking piece, however, it's for a niche market. I just found that I could suit my own needs by gutting this Tesch muffler instead. Both lighter, and quieter, in the end.

[SCWDP911]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Honestly, I've heard your muffler, and well to be polite, the sound is terrible. In fact at a tech inspection, surrounded by a few drivers we all stated that your muffler is just too loud, on top of the weight. I can't argue that you don't make a great product, as you do. But it doesn't suit the taste of many, in both sound and weight. Of course it's light, but it's not the only solution out there, you really need to tone it down, and of course fix that batting issue as well. I saw a huge chuck of white fluff exit a MB muffler at our last track event.

These reasons' are why I didn't go with your product in the end. It's a great looking piece, however, it's for a niche market. I just found that I could suit my own needs by gutting this Tesch muffler instead. Both lighter, and quieter, in the end.

Oh man...

I'll just start by saying that even though I took off my M&K 1in 1out, it was only to soothe my wife. I am currently fabbing up my own "his" muffler from a a Bischoff I picked up for $25 plus shipping. I will drive around with it until wife can't stand it, and then swap to the stock when she has to have a break. This is a LOT easier for me to justify with her (having 2 mufflers for same car) with a $30-40 muffler (when I am done modifying it) than one of Ben's beauties for $400-500.

Ben makes a very quality product. Not sure about the white fluff deal, but my M&K 1in 1out was extremely well constructed and sounded absolutely awesome at all fronts, ecxcept when the wife was around!

To each their own, but perhaps you should have made your reply directly to Ben instead of semi-trashing him on this very public forum...

Now then, can't we all just get along?

[rfuerst911sc]

I have one of Bens 2 in 2 out mufflers with SSI's and I've had many Porsche folks at autocrosses and fun rallies state they loved the sound of my car. Sound is very subjective. Now I will admit I have the passenger side capped off for normal street driving as it is a little loud to live with every day but having the ability to tune the muffler to ones taste is nice but you can do this with any muffler. Also Ben has come out with slip in baffles that I am going to try in the future, again giving more tuning possibilities. I had a factory Leistritz muffler and that was a tank in the weight column. To each his own

[mb911]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Yes way, on a scale. Muffler is stamped "tesch type IV." I purchased it from a factory configuration car. And it's very, very, hollow as I was the one that gutted it, and welded it back up. This weight is confirmed by my mechanic, and by me. I would be happy to post a pic of it since I need to remove it again to replace the chain box gasket, a little nagging nuance of my rebuild.

Honestly, I've heard your muffler, and well to be polite, the sound is terrible. In fact at a tech inspection, surrounded by a few drivers we all stated that your muffler is just too loud, on top of the weight. I can't argue that you don't make a great product, as you do. But it doesn't suit the taste of many, in both sound and weight. Of course it's light, but it's not the only solution out there, you really need to tone it down, and of course fix that batting issue as well. I saw a huge chuck of white fluff exit a MB muffler at our last track event.

These reasons' are why I didn't go with your product in the end. It's a great looking piece, however, it's for a niche market. I just found that I could suit my own needs by gutting this Tesch muffler instead. Both lighter, and quieter, in the end.

scott we have not used batting in the mufflers for over a year so not sure what muffler you saw. anyhow You are the first guy that said they sound aweful. so i guess it is a tatse thing. but that confuses me a bit a stock muffler is larger then ours length and diameter wise and yours is quieter then ours being gutted and lighter?

anyhow it does not really matter My arguement was the weight I find that amazing 7lbs is really light heck our track mufflers are 3lbs so double that and you have your muffler.. I am amazed

[widgeon13]

I have an MK 2 in 2 out on my 3.2 and have to say it fits great, sounds great and looks beautiful, just what I wanted and light as well.

I'd love to see this 7# muffler on a scale, that's pretty damn light.

[RarlyL8]

You must use the same scale my wife does.
Hehe - just yankin your chain. Show us a picture of this thing. If there is something we can learn from it and apply to products that you like then it's all good!

[Gunter]

Two issues have to be kept seperate:
Street-use/Track-use and
Sound/resonnance.
Ben's muffler is well made and light weight.

For Track-use, the 2in/2out is perfect for performance (With your ears plugged)
For street use, the same muffler is agony because of the drone between 2-3ooo RPM.
Even with blocking the second tip, it's too much.
I tried inserts, SS wool, blocking, ear plugs but in the end, regretfully, I decided to sell it it's jut too loud and resonnant.
Would have loved to keep it but, I like to keep my hearing; after a long drive my ears were ringing.
And no, describing personal experience is not trashing a product especially when others have commented on the drone.

The 1in/1out or 2in/1out may be different, I don't know.
I would suggest that anyone who wants the 2in/2out for track-use, go for it!
For street-use, it's a different matter especially if you have a passenger.

With best wishes, just my own $0.02.

[Joe Bob]

Two Supertrapps bolted on and sticking straight out the back....

[island911]

Well I'm convinced ... MJB is a lighter can than Folgers . . but the Folgers sounds better cuz it has a lid.




Seriously, are you guys really going to argue which empty can is lightest for the best sound?

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by mb911

scott we have not used batting in the mufflers for over a year so not sure what muffler you saw. anyhow You are the first guy that said they sound aweful. so i guess it is a tatse thing. but that confuses me a bit a stock muffler is larger then ours length and diameter wise and yours is quieter then ours being gutted and lighter?

anyhow it does not really matter My arguement was the weight I find that amazing 7lbs is really light heck our track mufflers are 3lbs so double that and you have your muffler.. I am amazed

I don't think it's just me, in fact I searched back a few weeks and found a thread about noise that I remembered seeing.

A Quieter M&K ???

And yes, guys I'll post a pic later today if I decide to go after this chain cover leak. I'm waiting to hear if I need to fly out tonight, if I don't I'll work on the car, otherwise I have do some laundry and packing.

[cgarr]

The orginal "A Quieter M&K ???" post was 5-15 and Ben was working on it by 5-16 and had it solved by 5-26, Ben must be slipping, took him 10 days to get it to market!, LOL Geeezzz it to longer than that to get a return call from B&B on my cracked muffler...

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by cgarr

The orginal "A Quieter M&K ???" post was 5-15 and Ben was working on it by 5-16 and had it solved by 5-26, Ben must be slipping, took him 10 days to get it to market!, LOL Geeezzz it to longer than that to get a return call from B&B on my cracked muffler...

Just saying, you read though that entire post and the "fix" is mentioned as "helping." And not everyone in that thread agreed in the end. I'm only saying that I know for sure that there are several people that I know, myself included, that can't stand the sound. It's a preference thing, for me I don't want to be heard at stoplights, and around here that right is reserved by teenagers in Honda Civics. I also want to be able to start and run my car at anytime of the day, without galling my neighbors

[mb911]

its all in personal taste. But in all honsety out of all the mufflers I have heard on a p-car they all sound fairly similar. some have some different tones ,some are louder ,some are well built well, some can be tunable. its all in what you want scott R not sure if I ever pissed you off but it seems I must have all I had to share on this was I found it hard to believe that a muffler in full size could weigh 7 lbs.. with all the efforts we went through to keep em light weight