993 basic vs. 993"S" question.

[Gunter]

What constitutes an "S"?
What extras come with an S?
Thanks.

[Scooter]

Depends on if it is a C4S or a C2S. A C4S will basically be a turbo without the turbo, which means a beefed up suspension and larger brakes. Both will be a widebody, which means larger fenders in the back, wider wheels in the back and a different front bumper. Other than that the engine is the same and options are the same.

[Steve@Rennsport]

The 993 "S" is a wide-bodied variant.

They made two versions; the C2S and the AWD C4S.

C4S's received the AWD system, the Big Red brakes on the TT and solid-spoke versions of the TT's hollow-spoke wheels.

C2S's had standard 993 brakes and the same wheels as above.

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by Scooter

Depends on if it is a C4S or a C2S.

true

Originally Posted by Scooter

A C4S will basically be a turbo without the turbo, which means a beefed up suspension and larger brakes. Both will be a widebody, which means larger fenders in the back, wider wheels in the back and a different front bumper. Other than that the engine is the same and options are the same.

Not true. there are only 2 suspension pieces that are different on the turbo, the scizzor pieces in the back, and the S uses the same as all other n/b 993. The wheels are not wider, the same 8&10" width x18 wheels are used w/ spacers in the back

the biggest difference between a 2S and 4S besides AWD is the brakes. 4S has the tt big reds and electro- hydraulic booster. 2S has vacuum boosted like the regular 993n/b

[Scooter]

Bill, I believe my statement is at least partially true.

It is also my understanding that the C4S also received the beefed up sway bars from the turbo. Is that correct? The sways are what I was mostly talking about when I said "beefed up suspension." I was correct on the brake upgrade. I guess I stand corrected on the wheels, although I don't understand how I am wrong, because I see turbo twist 11's all the time, which do not fit a NB car. Bill is the wheel man, so I believe what he says.

[GrantG]

On normally aspirated 993's, "S" means it's more "Spensive" but not any faster

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by Scooter

Bill, I believe my statement is at least partially true.

It is also my understanding that the C4S also received the beefed up sway bars from the turbo. Is that correct? The sways are what I was mostly talking about when I said "beefed up suspension." I was correct on the brake upgrade. I guess I stand corrected on the wheels, although I don't understand how I am wrong, because I see turbo twist 11's all the time, which do not fit a NB car. Bill is the wheel man, so I believe what he says.

athe turbo uses M030 suspension, same as what an M030 n/b uses.

In US the ride heights are all the same, RoW regular is lower and M030 is eevn lower

the only turbo specific parts are the 2 lateral scissor pieces.

11s came out later on 996tt and GT3

[Scooter]

Thanks Bill. What you said makes sense.

An S gets you a bigger butt and bragging rights that you have a somewhat rare car. I would take either but am happy that Ginger is a fat bottomed girl.

[MIK911]

You guys left out the most important difference:

The C2S has the ULTRA COOL split grill:

[Max2.0]

About $15K in resale dollars!!!

IF it is a C2S...

C4S? Not so sure... Not many fans of the truck like AWD system...

[Drago]

Originally Posted by Mark Wilson

An S gets you a bigger butt and bragging rights that you have a somewhat rare car. I would take either but am happy that Ginger is a fat bottomed girl.

Ginger is a whore.

I do like the split grill above though.

Mark, I see only one car in your sigy. What happened to the early ride?

Originally Posted by Max2.0

About $15K in resale dollars!!!

IF it is a C2S...

C4S? Not so sure... Not many fans of the truck like AWD system...

You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about - on either count.

Originally Posted by Drago

Ginger is a whore.


Mark, I see only one car in your sigy. What happened to the early ride?

Yo Drago - Boo Boo is going back to PO. He's going to finish her up. How's the smurf?

[EarlyPorsche]

C4S is far from a truck. You can't even tell its got the 4wd until you go an pull a stuck pickup out of the mud or pull a stump.

[96740]

Does anyone have a good depiction on how much wider the S looks from the regular Carrera? A nice side by side.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by 96740

Does anyone have a good depiction on how much wider the S looks from the regular Carrera? A nice side by side.

I've seen the side by side pics many times. Just do a search.

Separately, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference, but side by side....

[89911]

The "S" is quite the looker. I guess it is a "Turbo Look" in a 993 version? If they had did something to the engine to give it another 50hp over the stock 993 they would of hit a homerun.

[96740]

I've seen the side by side pics many times. Just do a search.

Separately, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference, but side by side....

Thanks. That one show it good.

[Max2.0]

Originally Posted by Mark Wilson

You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about - on either count.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion...

Even if they can't back it up with substantial evidence!

A variety of '97 "Plain" 993's for sale at $40K, +/-...

Now try to find a NICE (less than 20K miles and all original paint) 1997 993 C2S for less than $55K...

As to the subjective feel of a C2S vs. a C4 or C4S, I have driven both, and yes, I can feel the substantial difference; if you can't, it may simply be that you started with, and are very used to the AWD setup... and that is fine...

Just not for me! But then again I still like the early Longhoods w/o A/C, so go figure!