"certificate of surrender"

zithlord · zithlord's Garage

A friend has bought a 964 from the US and is having it shipped to Norway. The US seller says that he can not give the Norwegian buyer the title, but he will give him a "certificate of surrender". I have never heard of that. I have bought 3 cars from the US the past years and all has come with the correct "title".

Any comments on this?

John

billybek · billybek's Garage

What year of car and what state is it from.
Different states have different registry laws...

DRACO A5OG · DRACO A5OG's Garage

Check directly from that states Department of Motor Vehicles website.

Moses · 02-04-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by zithlord

The seller says that he can not give the buyer the title, but he will give him a "certificate of surrender".
Any comments on this?

John

Wrong form. The seller is trying to give you his Marriage License.

zithlord · zithlord's Garage

Its a 1990 911 (964) from Ohio.

John

RPMClassic · 02-04-2008, 11:32 AM

No title.................no deal. Seller will have to get sorted out for you.

Quicksilver · 02-04-2008, 11:34 AM

Someone is trying to pull something.
Here is a link to Ohio's Bureau of Motor Vehicles: http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/

Their site specifically lists the following under questions relating to transfering ownership:
Q6: How do I transfer ownership of my vehicle to another person?
A6: On the back of your current title, at the top, complete the new buyers name and address, plus the purchase price. Complete the odometer certification area stating the mileage as it appears on the odometer. Right under the mileage area is the seller’s notary section. This area must be completed and notarized. Next, the buyer must acknowledge the mileage as stated by the seller by filling in his signature and then printing his name. Please note that you are attesting to the actual mileage of the vehicle. The seller should make a copy of the front and back of the assigned title and remove the plates from the vehicle.

A "certificate of surrender" is an official notice of relinquishment of a license. If you were surrendering a nursing license or professional engineering license without just letting it lapse you would get a certificate of surrender.

I suppose it is possible that Ohio could use this terminology relating to a driver's license or a vehicle's registration but it certainly isn't something you want in the purchase of a car.

tcar · 02-04-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RPMClassic

No title.................no deal. Seller will have to get sorted out for you.

Sounds like buyer has already paid. If seller won't return money...

Might see if Norway will accept a "Surrender" document.

zithlord · zithlord's Garage

Hi guys and thanks a lot, I will notify the buyer of this tread!

John

David E. Clark · 02-04-2008, 11:54 AM

It looks like Quicksilver is correct. A "certificate of surrender" in Ohio appears to relate to the surrender of a license by a "foreign corporation," not the "surrender" of an automobile. Here is a link to the lengthy Ohio law. I'm with the no title no sale crowd!

RaceProEngineer · 02-04-2008, 01:26 PM

John,

Obviously you are suspicious, otherwise you would not have started this thread.

A vehicle "TITLE" is the official proof of ownership in most of the US states, Ohio included. Therefore, anyone who is selling a car, but who can not produce a good title in their own name, may not actually own said car. Certainly reason for your fellow countryman to be concerned!

The fairly common exception with Porsches is the racecar, which rarely has any such "official" document.

Ed LoPresti

the · 02-04-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceProEngineer

A vehicle "TITLE" is the official proof of ownership in most of the US states, Ohio included.

Exactly. No title (aka "pink slip"), no deal.

bell · bell's Garage

yes, in ohio a title is required for transfer of ownership.
where is the car located in ohio? there are pelicanheads spread throughout the state

if the owner cannot produce the title it is either not his to sell , the bank owns it (meaning he still owes $$ on the car), or he bought the car with no title and cannot have one transfered for whatever reason......in ohio if you legitimately bought a car from out of state with no title (from georgia for example...no titles) you can have one re-issued after the car is inspected and verified by the highway patrol, it is more paperwork but do-able. (i believe this is correct)

basically if you lose a title in ohio you CAN get a duplicate from the title bureau for a minimal fee and some paperwork. and it's not reffered to as anything else.....it's a "title"

porschenut · 02-04-2008, 02:36 PM

Seems to me it is Norway, not Ohio, which determines what is required for the buyer to legally import a car into his home country, establish ownership, and obtain a road license.

Therefore, the answer to what he needs will be found by asking the Norway authorities, not Ohio. Norway may not require a U.S. title document for an imported car, but something else entirely.

RPMClassic · 02-04-2008, 04:36 PM

Without proper papers, the freight forwarder will not be able to ship the car. Documents will include title,bill of sale and sellers social security #. IF the car goes to the loading dock without all of that - the car could get impounded in transit. The buyer than would be out his $$ and no way to get the car released. Given the "HOT" market now and the exchange rates as they are - PLEASE do not throw caution to the wind in fear that you will never be able to buy a porsche. There are lots of cars available at great prices ( much like the Ferrari market not too long ago). Be careful and buy the best car you can that has all the correct documents in order. This sounds like the other thread of cars being sold with "jumped titles". Lets face it guys, getting the correct paperwork together is easy and the legal way - why risk it?? There is no reason to loose your money or risk loosing the car too. Get it sorted out and let us know the happy ending.

911pcars · 02-04-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Moses

Wrong form. The seller is trying to give you his Marriage License.

Ha.

Sherwood

zithlord · zithlord's Garage

The authorities in Norway do require a "title" when the car gets its Norwegian license plates. The authorities keeps the "title" and then issues a new Norwegian "wagon card" (Title). As far as I know it is almost impossible to register a US import in Norway without the correct documents. As an example they will not permit a car to be registered with a salvage title. The reason I started this tread was that I know its different laws in different states and I thought there was a chance some of the states used a "surrender title" for export. Thanks to you guys the buyer has now been warned.

As you can see from my signature I have 4 cars(73S beeing German delivery) all imported from the US, all with "titles", no problems what so ever with the authorities. Just some minor details with lights etc that has to be changed to comply with Euro spec.

Again thanks

John

MBEngineering · 02-05-2008, 03:49 AM

HI John
the guy you have purchased the car from, poss' requires one of these forms , off the http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/ site under "Title Related Forms" in the OHIO TITLE INFORMATION, "Download BMV Forms" section.

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/misc/bmv_forms.htm .

BMV 3717 (Rev. 3/07) - Export Application for a Motor Vehicle (33 KB).

hope it may help, probably reading it all wrong from this distance?

regards mike