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DRACO A5OG 02-08-2008 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rnln (Post 3755792)
I know several friends tried them and took them out because of this reason. Not only less intense, but some times not even seeing it lighting up from an angel, during the day.

Yeah very scary, that is why I am going to install the 24 bulb set. with 6 LEDs aiming to the sides the minimal 90 angle of the wide angle LEDs will insure proper illumination or so is the theory. But I think it will do it plus there will be direct light towards the reflective surfaces.

I did notice the Red LEDs are a Deeper Red and very intense compared to White Bulbs

Mo_Gearhead 02-08-2008 03:43 AM

I fabricated my own, mounted it inside the back glass. (click link below to see)

It sure can't hurt!

Formerly Steve Wilkinson 02-08-2008 06:23 AM

I have not only the OEM interior CHMSL on an '83 SC but a pair of motorcycle LED brakelights that are mounted on the underside of the rear wing. They are totally self-contained (battery-operated, no wiring) and activate super-instantly through a mercury switch. Very bright, and they flash in a rapidly jittering pattern.

You only have to have been rear-ended once. Destroyed our first Boxster.

81turboporsche 02-08-2008 06:26 AM

i'm doing the 993 style brake light/roof spoiler,dont take any chances,i would hate to be a hood ornament on a tractor trailer

Axiom 02-08-2008 07:04 AM

Safety first....and you got option...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1202486453.jpg

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Netspeed 02-08-2008 08:37 AM

While I think the safety aspect of the third brake light has been diluted with over 22 years of use (when they first came out...everyone noticed), I think having some nuclear-bomb-bright LEDs would do the trick. Whatever it takes to get people to wake up behind the wheel. IMHO, way too many cars have too many driver aids that "unplug" people from the fact that they're in control of a 3500lbs chuck of metal.

steve911 02-08-2008 09:20 AM

I have an '85 Targa as well and installed a high mounted inside one several years ago. Easy installation and gives me a bit more peace of mind that I'm a little more visible than before.

Here are a couple of threads on the install:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/97229-wiring-3rd-brake-light.html?referrerid=5978

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/106190-how-3rd-brake-light-install.html?referrerid=5978


Next for me is installing a rear red fog lamp, though I have to figure out how to wire it. As far as I can tell, my '85 does NOT have the wire harness tucked up inside the bumper.

DRACO A5OG 02-08-2008 10:27 AM

I am leaning towards the Pilot because of it's 1" profile design and being mount high off the rear window glass, the slight glow will double as a BLS malfunction warning system

Or drill a hole in the OEM interior to function the same way, but the the OEM has more obstruction in the window.

???

sjf911 02-08-2008 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG (Post 3756693)
I am leaning towards the Pilot because of it's 1" profile design and being mount high off the rear window glass, the slight glow will double as a BLS malfunction warning system

Or drill a hole in the OEM interior to function the same way, but the the OEM has more obstruction in the window.

???

I originally put the OEM (?964) light high but the degree of field obstruction was unacceptable. I moved it to the bottom of the glass and it works well there but may not be as visible (I have a turbo tail).

DRACO A5OG 02-08-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sjf911 (Post 3756753)
I originally put the OEM (?964) light high but the degree of field obstruction was unacceptable. I moved it to the bottom of the glass and it works well there but may not be as visible (I have a turbo tail).


Do you have a pic?

burgermeister 02-08-2008 12:25 PM

Hey, if it reduces the chance of some idiot in a pickup taking out your rear decklid by 50%, it's a good thing. Roads are full of idiots that can't drive and don't pay attention, and short of living in Montana or never driving, it's darn near impossible to avoid them.

Mr.Puff 02-08-2008 02:08 PM

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IMHO, way too many cars have too many driver aids that "unplug" people from the fact that they're in control of a 3500lbs chuck of metal.
;) It makes me worried about those proposed cars with the automated driving systems. Imagine if Microsoft programmed the software... ugh. "Security Update: This corrects a vulnerability where an intruder may take of control of your car."

81turboporsche 02-08-2008 02:11 PM

Any Light is a good light as long is its not a ricer one under your'e car,every day the number of 16 years olds getting their licenses goes up so our chances of survival go down....sorry im a little bit negative today

RSBob 02-08-2008 02:48 PM

Some one nailed it above - third brake lights are expected to be seen on all cars these days.
If one doesn't come on, then keep that SUV floored while talking on the cell phone, while slapping down the kids, painting her nails, and sipping her latte. When 3rd brake lights first came out, they reduced rear enders by 33%. I put a LED bar in mine for extra insurance - its black housing blends nicely with the black rear parcel shelf and is easily reversible. I would rather sacrifice looks and originality for several thousand dollars in body work or a complete total loss, but since you are asking the question, it sounds like you are already on the right track.

P.S. I put it on the parcel shelf because it did not block my rear vision like mounting it at the top of the glass - I tried it that way first and didn't like it when I need a clear view as far back as possible to see local law enforcement.

Hugh R 02-08-2008 02:56 PM

I did the 18.5" Pilot one. The biggest problem was getting the epoxy to finally stick to the glass for the holders. Up top you can't see it from the rear view mirror, and its barely visible from the exterior until you hit the brakes. Yes, it does help alot. As someone said, people expect to see a 3rd brake light. It cut down on people almost rear ending me alot.

DRACO A5OG 02-08-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh R (Post 3757199)
I did the 18.5" Pilot one. The biggest problem was getting the epoxy to finally stick to the glass for the holders. Up top you can't see it from the rear view mirror, and its barely visible from the exterior until you hit the brakes. Yes, it does help alot. As someone said, people expect to see a 3rd brake light. It cut down on people almost rear ending me alot.

Did you use the doubled side tape or other brand epoxy, if so what brand and type please?

DRACO A5OG 02-08-2008 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RSBob (Post 3757188)
P.S. I put it on the parcel shelf because it did not block my rear vision like mounting it at the top of the glass - I tried it that way first and didn't like it when I need a clear view as far back as possible to see local law enforcement.

Do you have a pic?

MIK911 02-08-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DRACO A5OG (Post 3755788)
at SuperBrightLEDs.com

The 24 bulb set would be best in Red. I found the white ones are dimmer. The 24 buld set has 6 of them in a radial pattern to illuminate the reflective side of the Lamp:

http://www.superbrightleds.com/store...s/1156-x24.jpg

The 12 bulb at your local auto suply work well but even though they state wide angle, they are not wide enough IMO. You can see in all angles but they are less intense. The 24 bulb or any radial aimed LED in Red should do the trick.

Note: You may need a load equalizer so they do not glow lightly during daytime. If it doesn't bother you then you will be golden but it will shorten the advertised 100K hour life span of it.


On OEM high mounted interior housing (eg 1986 model), is the light bulb socket positioned such that the above main LED cluster points rearward?

Macroni 02-08-2008 06:50 PM

never

DRACO A5OG 02-08-2008 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MIK911 (Post 3757473)
On OEM high mounted interior housing (eg 1986 model), is the light bulb socket positioned such that the above main LED cluster points rearward?

It slips in just the the two end rear tail light bulbs facing outward towards the rear.


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