A Real Performance Chip?

[burgermeister]

Why say "Ban"?? Don't like it, don't read it, and don't post .

I'm interested myself, both for educational as well as entertainment purposes.

While Loren sometimes has excessively emotional posts, all he seems to say is that increasing ignition timing means increased likelyhood of detonation, which is certainly a true statement. And Steve W has much empirical evidence that the top ends of most 911 motors will necessitate a rebuild before any bottom end damage will, wether a Wong or a Stock chip is used.

Maybe I will learn something new. Subscribed!

[bell]

all one needs to do is a search with "chips" as the keyword and "Lorenfb" and the author and you'll see he has been rudely preaching his opinion for at least 5 years on this bbs.................if loren wasn't so cynical maybe his ideas wouldn't seem like a waste of words......

[imcarthur]

Originally Posted by burgermeister

Why say "Ban"?? Don't like it, don't read it, and don't post .

Sometimes it even leaks out of the forum . . . see Hate Mail

Ian

[dsmeyer]

I have owned my 3.2 911 for over 10 years and my Steve Wong Chip is easily one of the best modifications I have ever done.

My '86 had an Autothority chip, a cat bypass pipe, and a single in, single out Monty sport muffler. It always ran rich and I had to put the stock cat back on because otherwise it would "backfire" when shifting from 1st to 2nd at high RPM. Autothority blamed the "backfire" on the exhaust and was no help after the sale.

Years later after reading all the great reviews on Steve Wong's chips, I installed one along with a Fabspeed premuffler to replace the stock cat. Steve's chip made the throttle more responsive throughout the entire rpm range. Steve's chip also seems more sensitive to input from sensors. I had to replace an old O2 sensor and the head temperture sensor to get the mixture to adjust correctly. Steve was very patient, replied quickly to all my emails, and helped me make all the adjustments to get my car car running better than it ever has.

I also had a unique problem with the idle control switch switching on at the wrong time. This one took a while to figure out and at one point I put the Autothority chip back in to compare. With the Autothority chip back in the throttle response felt numb. The Autothority chip also ran too rich, start up was rougher, and the high RPM "backfire" was back.

Because I was busy with work and other projects, it took me a long time to sort though the adjustments needed to get my car running just right. (my fault, not Steve's) At one point I even had to store the car for the winter, and work on the idle control switch problem in the spring. Steve continued to help me sort though the issues of a 20 year old car until his product was working the way he designed it to work.

The car is much more fun to drive now and it even gets better gas mileage. The time spent sorting things out and getting it all right was well worth it. I can't remember ever having such good customer service during and after the sale on any product.

[Zef]

Lorenfb...I love you.

[Jeff Alton]

Originally Posted by imcarthur

Sometimes it even leaks out of the forum . . . see Hate Mail

Ian

Wow,

Don't think I would want to do business with someone who acts like that.....

Cheers

[Lorenfb]

Isn't interesting how some (IMARTHUR -Ian) forum members always resort to personal attacks,
when because of their technical imcompetence can't contribute intelligently to a thread?
And then have to make-up emails. You'd think you'd expect more from Pelican members,
but I guess that's to be expected from some with insecure personalities!

From a thread that started with a simple question and a link to other 911 owners
with positive comments about a performance chip, the thread evolved to this.

[imcarthur]

Loren

No further comment except facts are facts.

Ian

Mods: I will gladly delete the link if you feel I am fanning the flame.

[PatrickB]

Ban I say...

Ian summed it up best about Loren:

"He is reputed to be very knowledgeable in Porsche electronics when not foaming at the mouth."

Thanks Loren for sharing a very informative web site about the inner workings of electronic systems on Porsches.

However, your personal and social skills are remarkably similar to Saddam Hussein. I suppose even Ted Bundy had his good days, but your threads on Pelican and Rennlist always seem to end rather poorly. Like a true sociopath, these posts are ultimately all about you and your supremacy on the topic.

My custom mapped S/W chip added 38hp at the flywheel, per dyno test. And no, my motor has not blown up yet after multiple track days...

[richde]

Shhhh, he's busy playing the victim....

[88-diamondblue]

It is interesting that you should bring this up about personal attacks since I was was of your "internet stalkings" when I asked a question about higher compression P&C's. It actual helped it be a great thread! Anyone who has been here or at Rennlist can attest to your personal attacks when there is nothing left to say. Seems temporary bans and threads being sent to the "abyss" at RL don't seem to get the message across.

It seems that the way this thread is stared that Loren now believes that there is a chip that is GOOD, just not the SW chip.

I have had the Autothority chip which was installed in the car prior to 1992 and switched to a SW chip with a premuffler. After a rebuild, due to headstuds and the engine was nearly perfect when taken apart for the rebuild. Hmm no evidence of any damage due to a chip. I have an SW custom chip due to cam and P&C changes. Extremely satisfied as stated many times before

[burgermeister]

Originally Posted by imcarthur

Sometimes it even leaks out of the forum . . . see Hate Mail

Ian

While I don't know the context, it does seem pretty rude....
I like your site, BTW!

[Iowa911]

Quote: I've run a certain chip in my Carrera prior to disassembly, and I saw exactly what I was expecting with the extreme map on that particular chip.

Can you elaborate on what you expected and what you found?

[dshepp806]

Originally Posted by Lorenfb

"It wasn't gained by advancing the timing to some crazy 30 degree number as some have thought but buy changing the fuel map."

Great!!!! Again, there appears to be the "ideal" performance chip as indicated here.
So, this maybe the new hyped chip on Pelican giving more buying options to Pelicanites.

So what's the negativity?

Loren: Are you being serious here or "tongue-in-cheek"? Are there other ways to approach any/all maps in a conservative fashion?

Obviously one can get a quicker responding Porsche with advanced timing curves (different from what Porsche originally designed) but can one advance the curves in a conservative fashion/quantity?

You state on your website that there's essentially nothing to be gained with varying the fuel maps...is this a blanket statement?

And, finally, please speak to the issue with octane ratings as related to advanced timing curves...

AGAIN,..I don't know a lot about all of this but really want to learn (with no attacks, please),...just a decent discussion of the relevant points.

....please?

Thanks,

[charleskieffner]

i want a chip. i want a "plug and play" chip. i want a chip i can install and rip around canyons/highways and optimize my performance.

i want a chip i can take out in an instant and comply with PCA SHOWROOM STOCK F-CLASS RULEBOOK.

no fuss. no muss. no changing nuthing but da chip. like if it took more than 10 minutes to do,that would make me shy away. something simple, something idiot proof/waterproof/bombproof/shock proof.

can this be done???

does anybody have this technology?

lifetime warranty, free upgrades,free stickers(steekers), girlie posters etc.

[TimT]

can this be done???

Yes

does anybody have this technology?

Yes..

[burgermeister]

Doyle, as long as the O2 sensor is in the mix (whenever the full throttle switch is not activated), the DME will just adjust the mixture based on the O2 sensor signal (at least that's how I understand it), so altering fuel maps would have no effect on part throttle performance unless you programmed the DME to ignore the O2 sensor (which I believe the ROW cars did).

I wonder how a ROW Porsche chip compares with the US and SW chips? The extra 12 / 22 (depending on year) HP didn't come from a compression ratio change alone.

[livi]

Plenty satisfied with my SW chip in my ROW (obviously) Carrera. Found its way all the way to Sweden.

[dshepp806]

Originally Posted by burgermeister

Doyle, as long as the O2 sensor is in the mix (whenever the full throttle switch is not activated), the DME will just adjust the mixture based on the O2 sensor signal (at least that's how I understand it), so altering fuel maps would have no effect on part throttle performance unless you programmed the DME to ignore the O2 sensor (which I believe the ROW cars did).

I wonder how a ROW Porsche chip compares with the US and SW chips? The extra 12 / 22 (depending on year) HP didn't come from a compression ratio change alone.

Thanks....

Good question....maybe Loren or SW will comment on this.

Best,

[charleskieffner]

Originally Posted by TimT

Yes




Yes..

part numbers?

cost?

K&N cone filter, GHL headers w/heat dual in/dual out, NO CATS. pump chevron premium 99% of the time. 1-3 races a year with pure unadulterated yummy RACE FUEL!