911T rebuild

HarriTiidus · 12-13-2007, 05:41 AM

I will write about our rebuild, so you can follow and maybe give some advice.
I picked up the car from germany, got it transported to estonia. It had californian plates and it was sitting in germany for 6 months. changed the oils, fixed brakes and drove around for 300km. Then we started taking the car appart.
Car came out of the factory in 71, and should be 72 model. it has full leather interior (black), tinted widows, rear window heating (2stage). It also has S trim outside, 5 speed gearbox. it has been converted to weber carb in the states sometime ago.

This is what we got.

after one day it looked like this

plan was to take everything apart from the body shell.
removed the engine, gearbox, axels, wireing, everything.
Here started striping old underseal and paint

Because sandblasting wont take off factory underseal or stoneguard (dont know exactly name in english) we started cleaning the body with anglecuters and wirebrushes. real pain was the engine compartment. finally after one week it was clean.

now we were ready do take it to sandblasting, i wanted only to clean places where we were unable to clean. They did nice job and primed the places wich they sandblasted also.

after we took it to guy who is working with sheet metal, it had rear hat self tottaly rusted, and front suspension and tank suport. I ordered those new and waiting to install them. Mean while engine and gearbox have been taken apart and at the moment im making a list what to order. Engine and gerabox cases are going to dry ice blasting. Also generator and starter have been rebuild. All aluminium parts (blower case, intake manifolds and etc... )have been send to media blasting. Next i will clean the carb bodys with a hot tank and ultrasonic wawes ( my friend is a goldsmith and he has the equipment)
Interior will be totally new, made with natural leather, also floor mats are custom made) Now question is with wiring harness, is it possible to get that also new or do i have do rebuild it?
And with the paint, it was color code 414 Olive green. If i changed it to some other color what was available by porsche that year, will it change the value of the car? next week i will take axels and other metal parts to sandblasting and then they will be hot painted. If anyone has pics about how porsche had cars painted when they come out of the factory, i know that inside the floor was black and also dasboard. What about underseal and engine compartment, where they body color or also primed do some other color.
In january i will need some advice also about suspenison, Koni or Bilstein or Boge?

HarriTiidus · 12-13-2007, 05:48 AM

also all bolts and nuts will be cleaned and zinc plated. All new rubber seals will be installed. I hope do get the car back on the road in May.
If you have any ideas how do make things better let me know.
It is quite cheap labor wise, but parts are with real porsche prices.
i will keep you posted

cool5 · 12-13-2007, 05:55 AM

Nice work! I would stay with the original color. Olive green is pretty rare and is a great period color.

Matt

LakeCleElum · 12-13-2007, 08:37 AM

Fantastic effort Harri - Here's a website that shows factory colors available in the early years:

http://www.elferhelfer.com/farben.htm

Just click on 72-73 and look at the column for "coupe"......Remember, other colors were available by "special order". For best resale value, you should consider the orginial color.....G'luck...

Jgordon · 12-14-2007, 07:05 AM

Great work - looking forward to seeing the project in motion.

Jays72T · 12-14-2007, 08:01 AM

Very cool, looking forward to seeing more.

HarriTiidus · 12-14-2007, 01:59 PM

im going to see the car tommorow at bodyshop. im still waiting new front suspension support and gas tank support. Hopefully get the interior back in the beginning of january. Engine rebuild will increase the total cost a lot.
Im thinking going with Bilstein shocks with suspension, all new bushes ,ball joints and wheel bearings. Also all new seals for body and lights, bumpers, fenders. Wiring makes my worry a little, because it was a MFI at the beginning so i have do select and remove some wires. At the moment it has electric fuel pump, should i replace it to a carb. pump?
Where did it originally had speakers ? Dash only? Because i had speakers in doors also, i would keep it as original as possible.
Where doors painted black under panels or body color?

M491Cabriolet · 12-14-2007, 02:28 PM

Hi. It looks like you are really doing a thorough job. Personally, I would stick with the original color, but this is really a matter of opinion. I mean, some people might say that some colors are less attractive than others and, even if original, are harder to sell (meaning their market value could be lower). In other words, if the car is done as you are doing it but in a more popular color, you might eventually even be able to sell it at a higher price than if it has its original, but unpopular color. Again, I would go with the original myself.

I am wondering about the age of your car. It has the side impact beam in the doors. Was this not first offered in 1973 models as a result of DOT regulations? Maybe it was 1972... I don't remember...

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

Bilstein = good

side impact beam is shown in pic above - behind the pull rod for door mech., indicating this is a '73 AFAIK

could have had speakers in the circular door cutout

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

maybe door was replaced? what does the other one look like?

HarriTiidus · 12-15-2007, 01:20 AM

Other one looks different.
I think i will go with original color.

It has had an accident in the front, maybe thats why it has different doors.

al lkosmal · 12-15-2007, 09:21 AM

Harri,
I'm in the process of restoring a 71E. I ordered and received the Certificate of Authenticity to verify that I had the matching numbers engine, tranny and so forth. One other detail was that the car originally was ordered with a 4 speaker system. I'm not sure if that means, 4 speakers in addition to the dash or not. My door panels had speakers mounted in them and I ssuspect that the other two were in the rear deck panel, but again I'm not sure. I'm researching that now and I'll let you know what I find out. My E was painted black and I've returned it to the original silver. I love that olive green and I would return the car to that color, if I were you. Per my research, the 70-71 2.2 engine compartment, wheel wells and underside are black and the trunk is body color. I think that this changed for the 72-73 model years and the engine compartment and perhaps the wheel wells are body color. (get on the Early S registry website and someone there will know).

good luck with your project,

Al

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

I would check the reference points on the unit body to be sure it is all straight - there was obviously an accident sever enough to cause a door replacement. If it was a front impact and the door had to replaced then it might have been a pretty hefty hit.

Good Luck!

HarriTiidus · 01-01-2008, 11:38 AM

update. Body almost done, next week do paint shop.

BK911 · BK911's Garage

Have you thought about trying to source an MFI system? MFI is part of the reason the '69 - '73's are so desirable.

HarriTiidus · 01-01-2008, 11:45 PM

what price range they should be, i mean good condition ones?
I like the carbs ,because they keep it simple and i already have them.
But all information about where do get a good MFI is welcome.

Fishcop · Fishcop's Garage

Pretty sure the T for 71/72 only had carbies - not MFI. And I think they were Zenith for ROW cars.

Looks like great work!

Cheers

calling911 · 01-02-2008, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeCleElum

Fantastic effort Harri - Here's a website that shows factory colors available in the early years:

http://www.elferhelfer.com/farben.htm

Just click on 72-73 and look at the column for "coupe"......Remember, other colors were available by "special order". For best resale value, you should consider the orginial color.....G'luck...

I dont think the colors are right.. I mean the pictures.. the sand beige car looks wrong.. Should be much darker.. hate to have someone make a decision based on those pics..

However.. there is only ONE color to paint you porsche and its on the little plate in your door jamb.

javadog · 01-02-2008, 04:21 AM

For what it's worth, the European versions of the 911T had Zenith carbs, as did the US cars up through the 1971 model year. In 1972, the US cars received MFI. The Euro cars continued to use the Zenith carbs.

JR

Fishcop · Fishcop's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog

For what it's worth, the European versions of the 911T had Zenith carbs, as did the US cars up through the 1971 model year. In 1972, the US cars received MFI. The Euro cars continued to use the Zenith carbs.

JR

Cool, so as an originally US spec car it should have MFI?