Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 911 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Ottawa Ont Canada
Posts: 179
early soft window targa upgrade possible

ok i just got a 68 targa S , upon closer inspection i noticed that the is 2 big hand size hole on the inside of the targa bar, but the rear is a hard window

in the early days, and even now not that any one would want to do it , could you convert a soft window into a hard window

were any hard windows with those holes
__________________
9140431696 painted, with wheels and brake , with all elctrical working , engine in assembly soon to be driven
011850275 911S soft window targa next in the garage
2000 S4 stage 2
660R stroked
Old 07-27-2008, 05:07 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 856
I am sure there are plenty of soft window-to-hard window conversions out there. I have seen one that was a soft-hard-soft conversion. It is nice to see you've got the original Targa bar liner. You'd be really lucky if you could find the chrome handles.
__________________
John Thompson
Eugene, Oregon
Old 07-28-2008, 07:25 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,634
Garage
There were many soft window conversions to hard window.

As a matter of fact there is a section in the factory workshop manual showing you how to do it.

Based on your targa headliner, I'm 99.9% certain that the car was originally a soft window. There's a way to be certain, and that's to see if they retained the soft window chrome strip. Can you post a picture of the base of the targa bar...from the outside. Show me the chrome strip that is between the base of the targa bar and the body.

A 68S targa is a very valuable car....if it's a softie it's even more valuable.

Looking forward to your reply.

Eric
Besides cars listed below, I also have a 68 912 hard window that's being converted back to a soft window.
__________________
http://www.autoforeignservices.com/
57 Speedster, (4) 67S coupe's, (2) 67S targas, 68L Rally car etc. etc.
Old 07-29-2008, 10:59 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Ottawa Ont Canada
Posts: 179
early s

i have looked at the car and there is no chrome molding at the bottom of the targa bar,, but there is a gap, the car has been repainted twice it might account for the molding missing

and since you are rebuilding an other soft window , any parts for sale and/or picture of the bits and piece would be very apreciated .

I will be looking for the rattiest kit and either rebuilding or reproducing, you would be surprised what you can do when you have a lot of garage gear and good connection
__________________
9140431696 painted, with wheels and brake , with all elctrical working , engine in assembly soon to be driven
011850275 911S soft window targa next in the garage
2000 S4 stage 2
660R stroked
Old 07-30-2008, 08:03 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 856
Here are photos of some of the soft window Targa particulars.

Chrome strip at base of Targa bar.


New window and old frame


Window frame in place.


Hinge point at Targa bar


SWT latch


Willing to wheel and deal on this primo old window.
__________________
John Thompson
Eugene, Oregon
Old 07-31-2008, 06:57 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Ottawa Ont Canada
Posts: 179
looks interesting

I know thw vinyl part is easily available , your looks good to me to start ,, how about the other bits, the frame part , the handles etc,, not looking for good ones
__________________
9140431696 painted, with wheels and brake , with all elctrical working , engine in assembly soon to be driven
011850275 911S soft window targa next in the garage
2000 S4 stage 2
660R stroked
Old 07-31-2008, 08:02 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
 
Registered User
 
67targa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Murrieta, ca
Posts: 105
Garage
Send a message via Yahoo to 67targa
From where and for how much was the new windoe assembly? I am ready for one.
__________________
67' tangerine targa
Old 08-03-2008, 02:28 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 856
I purchased mine from Autobahn Interiors. Very happy with the price and faithfulness to the original.
__________________
John Thompson
Eugene, Oregon
Old 08-04-2008, 06:49 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Ottawa Ont Canada
Posts: 179
swt window

sorry for the delay but I am back to the dark ages ( dial up)
I have seen them from world upholstery www.worlduph.com part# 9113009
they also have a lot of other interesting items for the early cars

on an other note , I went to a car show over the week end and saw something very interesting , the rare and famous handles for the swt , I saw them or something ery similar on a car that is much more common ( a 60s mercedes rag top) it would be interesting to see them up close side by side

on an other note would any of you guy have old, rusted, brocken handle for sale or a picture of them on different angles to compare to the MB one

one more thing , can anyone give me the dimension of the 2 bars OD thickness of the metal , anything I can use to make new one,
__________________
9140431696 painted, with wheels and brake , with all elctrical working , engine in assembly soon to be driven
011850275 911S soft window targa next in the garage
2000 S4 stage 2
660R stroked
Old 08-05-2008, 02:05 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 856
A couple more SWT specific items.
Female part of the latching mechanism.


Shot of the handles


Spacer sleeve


I didn't take measurements of the frame. Wish I had now.
__________________
John Thompson
Eugene, Oregon
Old 08-05-2008, 04:14 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Ottawa Ont Canada
Posts: 179
those picture are great,

what is the function of the little slotted screw

the bar can easily be reproduced, so are the female bit,, it just the handle

I went to see a gut tonight whao has equipment to do metal casting and such, I might be able to rent them from someone (ill pay full price ahead and take the money back after and pay for shipping
__________________
9140431696 painted, with wheels and brake , with all elctrical working , engine in assembly soon to be driven
011850275 911S soft window targa next in the garage
2000 S4 stage 2
660R stroked
Old 08-07-2008, 06:19 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 856
Ask and ye shall receive.

__________________
John Thompson
Eugene, Oregon
Old 08-07-2008, 07:02 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: N. Phoenix AZ USA
Posts: 28,832
Excellent info guys!
__________________
2002 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins (the workhorse), 1992 Jaguar XJ S-3 V-12 VDP (one of only 100 examples made), 1969 Jaguar XJ (been in the family since new), 1985 911 Targa backdated to 1973 RS specs with a 3.6 shoehorned in the back, 1959 Austin Healey Sprite (former SCCA H-Prod), 1995 BMW R1100RSL, 1971 & '72 BMW R75/5 "Toaster," Ural Tourist w/sidecar, 1949 Aeronca Sedan / QB
Old 04-08-2010, 07:05 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 397
handles

Rumor has it that the chrome handles are ffrom the same supplier and identical to Mercedes 230/250/280SL soft top handles.


Last edited by Etarga; 08-19-2011 at 11:14 AM.. Reason: pic
Old 08-19-2011, 11:06 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #14 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 397
I'll leave it to the experts to decide.

Old 08-19-2011, 11:16 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #15 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Black Mountain, NC
Posts: 700
That is what I have read and by the looks of it is correct from your picture, although no expert I do have a swt in the garage. And as I am sure you know Porsche put the handle on the fixed half of the system (targa bar) and the socket is on the bow.

Regards
Old 08-19-2011, 12:13 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #16 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Ottawa Ont Canada
Posts: 179
swt handle

i actually bought a pair of those and they do look exactly the same , BUT they are not , the handles are about 10% bigger and will not go in the hole in the targa bar, the bolt spacing to mount them is NOT the same , BUT the cam part is the same

they can be made to work but you also have to modify and grind and the upholstery inside , but if you start from scratch , they will fit
__________________
9140431696 painted, with wheels and brake , with all elctrical working , engine in assembly soon to be driven
011850275 911S soft window targa next in the garage
2000 S4 stage 2
660R stroked
Old 08-20-2011, 05:01 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #17 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 2,945
I think there was a guy up in canada, who posted here, who makes complete new kits with handles and all. You might try doing a search here.
__________________
1973 911S (since new) RS MFI specs
1991 C2 Turbo
Old 08-20-2011, 09:45 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #18 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 2,945
Here you go:
soft window targa kit should I build them
__________________
1973 911S (since new) RS MFI specs
1991 C2 Turbo
Old 08-20-2011, 09:52 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #19 (permalink)
Registered User
 
kach22i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 43,528
Garage
I wonder if anybody has installed a vinyl window in a later Targa just to save on the weight of the glass.

Targa vs Coupe weight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyson Schmidt View Post
I weighed my Targa glass when I took it out for the Cab conversion. It weighed 36 pounds.
__________________
1977 911S Targa 2.7L (CIS) Silver/Black
1998 Chevy S-10 4x4 Pick-Up Truck, Razzle Dazzle Camo
1989 modified Scat II HP Hovercraft
George, Architect

Last edited by kach22i; 08-20-2011 at 10:21 AM..
Old 08-20-2011, 09:59 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #20 (permalink)
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:33 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.