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dad911 08-06-2008 03:05 PM

Kevin has a good point. Make sure the gas pedal stop is in place, and adjusted properly.

Brorag 08-07-2008 05:04 AM

where's my part? I ordered it yesterday..................................
I gotta say that rebushing the bell housing lever eliminated a known sticky location. I packed the space between the 2 bushings with grease; slicker than owl poop...........
part still not here.......................
wifes been after me for 18 mos to clean the shop. guess I'll waste some time doing that.
part still not here..................

GH85Carrera 08-07-2008 10:29 AM

You never did answer the question you posetd. How do you access the part? Did you have to remove the intake? How did you get the thing off?

Brorag 08-07-2008 12:48 PM

how I got the part out.
 
I'll reference the Parts list on pelican for clarity, as well as a marked up photo of my engine compartment:

reference illustration 108-10 in the '87 Porsche parts diagram.
remove the hot air manifold, (dwg# 13 part# 930 211 341 03) by loosening bolt
(dwg 15, part N 10 205 6), and hose clamp (dwg 18, part 999 512 200 02).


reference illustration 107-00 in the '87 Porsche parts diagram.

remove air box (dwg 21, part# 930 110 356 02) by loosening clamps (dwg # 22 & 23).
position air box above the mass air flow box to keep it out of the way. remove as fwe hoses as possible to avoid later confusion.

gotta go--I'll finish later tonight or tomorrow.

ianc 08-08-2008 08:17 AM

Quote:

I do not use, or recommend, bronze bushings - there's a reason why Porsche never switched to them, and the reason ain't money!
And what, pray tell, is that reason?

ianc

Brorag 08-08-2008 11:46 AM

1. re: illustration 108-10 in the '87 Porsche parts diagram.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218217161.jpg
remove the hot air manifold, (dwg# 13 part# 930 211 341 03) by loosening bolt
(dwg 15, part N 10 205 6), and hose clamp (dwg 18, part 999 512 200 02).

2. re: illustration 107-00 in the '87 Porsche parts diagram.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218217295.jpg
remove air box (dwg 21, part# 930 110 356 02) by loosening clamps (dwg # 22 & 23).

3. loosen clamp and remove this hose.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218218282.jpg

4. position air box above or behind the mass air flow box to keep it out of the way. remove as few hoses as possible to avoid later confusion.


next reply.......................

Brorag 08-08-2008 02:36 PM

Remove the throttle body next.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218230747.jpg

It is attached by 4 screws, one at each corner.
You will have to remove 2 hoses from the back side; one is small, close to the bottom and splits at a "y" within 2" of the throttle body.
the other is a larger pipe, ~1/4", and was located above the other.

remove the lock washer holding the throttle linkage (called a pull rod in the drawing) to the throttle body, and put it where it won't get lost. Remove the throttle linkage from throttle body.

Carefully raise the throttle body, and slip something between the housing and intake manifold so nothing will fall into manifold.

Move the throttle body to one side and secure to allow access to the console through the space previously occupied by the throttle body.

4. Place a piece of clean (no lint/strings) material into intake manifold and tape over manifold opening to prevent any objects from entering.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218217938.jpg
If something drops into manifold, you are dead meat.


The console assy is this thing; this is what you are going to remove.......if it don't look like this, don't remove it.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218229407.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218228330.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218228387.jpg


Another watchout is the alignment of the lever marked by the arrow below. This is a pic taken prior to it's removal. The top of the lever is in the shadows, so you can't see it. Make sure that both levers roughly parallel each other lever when reinstalling it. It is possible to put it on backwards, and you don't want to find out that after reinstalling it console!
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218228678.jpg


Access points to the console are shown below. the top access point is where the tools go and remove the console assy.
The left access point is for lighting and viewing. It's too small to get tools through or to remove console.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218233310.jpg


This is the perfect time to conscript a pair of small hands, (dwarf, kid, wife) who will do as told. If you or your hands are of a smaller size, this is the time to celebrate the fact you've got one over on all us knuckle draggers. It is very tight, like reaching that bottom back clamp on the air filter box, except worse.
More Guinness.

There are 3 nuts holding the console in place. Mine were 13mm. I got at them through the top space. Use a skinny light toward the back to see what's going on.

Have a magnet or grip type flexible retriever handy--you'll need it to remove nuts and washers after loosening.

Two springs are also attached. Remove on console side.

There is also a brace for ~3 horizontal tubes/hoses; it must be moved, as it shares on of the bolts with the console. Of course the brace is on top of the console, sandwiching the console between it and the engine. But, of course, "these cars never break down". But I digress...............

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218229656.jpg

You'll have to move the brace without moving the pipe/hoses attached to it. I used a pair of needlenosed pliers and put an "S" in the brace, then was able to slide it off the stud. Once off you can move the brace out of the way. The "nut" on the brace is part of the brace; the screw through the nut is toward the firewall;I could feel it but couldn't get it off. Be careful with the black round plastic hooha with the wire hanging out of its top; it looks expensive...........

The console can now be removed through the top hole. You will have to try all kinds of combinations of twists and turns to get it out; don't force it. I guarentee that the last position you try will get it out.....................:D

rebuild the consule assy by removing the nut at one end of the pivot shaft, sliding out the shaft, and replacing the bushings. The bushing are the same ones used at the bell housing. Remember to align the two levers properly. In my case, I'm also replacing the shaft and pivot arm because of the missing ball.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1218234574.jpg

Re-assemble by reversing this procedure. Take your time. If you get fed up (and you will) walk away and come back later. It's amazing how many times I've done that and the fix came much more easily.


If you see stuff missing, or mistakes, tell me and I'll fix it.
Brorag

Brorag 08-11-2008 06:23 PM

bushing replacement
 
I recv'd bushings today. I removed old bushings and discovered they were metal--I swear they looked like babbit bearing material.........soft metal.
The replacement bronze bushing O.D. was too large, so I drilled the console openings to fit--started with small drills and worked larger till I was able to fit the replacements--to be safe I also epoxyed them in place.

A word of caution. You absolutely must assemble all the linkage, except the piece attached to the throttle body, before replacing the throttle body and the hose to the air sensor! Ask me how I know. If you forget, you will have tho take it off to get to the linkages................

GH85Carrera 08-12-2008 04:42 AM

Thanks for the comprehensive write-up

88911coupe 11-18-2008 09:26 AM

Just curious, since I'm reinstalling this part on my '88 rebuild...what is the second/slightly "higher" lever bolt positioning for? It appears to be unused as far as I can tell. I see this part is for the 930 as well so is that where you'd put the lever pivot bolt in a 930? I was stressing out last night thinking I'd lost a part but I really don't recall anything being there but it was a long time ago when I took it apart. Great pics on this thread for the process.

Brorag 11-18-2008 06:13 PM

there is only one shaft. the other boss could be used for a different engine--if a common part between 911 and 930 it prob. accomodates a different pivot shaft.

3.2 CAB 11-19-2008 02:14 PM

Maybe the other is used for the cruise control linkage and return springs???

Brorag 11-20-2008 05:05 AM

nope, not on mine.
cruise hooks to the top of the lever at the throttle body.

KTL 11-20-2008 05:32 AM

That's ruight- nothing to do with cruise control or throttle return springs. The return springs connect to the bellcrank arm at one end and to the underside of the intake mainfold, on a coulple of cast-in tabs. Cruise control linkage is just one bowden cable that goes from the cruise unit to a bracket attached to the throttle body.


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